Kangaroo court convicts innocent man: Officer Chauvin found guilty on all 3 charges

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They are flexing their muscles and showing you how much control they have. They want you to get angry. Next stop is Kyle Rittenhouse.

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[–]Nombre27 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Yeah. I don't know how any reasonable person could convict him of murder (what about the other officers?)

Floyd had overdose concentrations of fentanyl and morphine in his system. That alone should have been enough for reasonable doubt as to the cause of death.

Chauvin supposedly was perfectly fine following police procedure in front of dozens of people while being filmed, i.e. no reasonable person would intentionally murder someone in front of dozens of witnesses.

Floyd said he had trouble breathing in advance of being put prone, and could clearly breathe well enough to keep proclaiming that he couldn't breathe.

Truly a verdict worthy of the inverted Clownworld we're living in.

Will be interesting to see the headlines in the upcoming months and years about police not doing their jobs and how they're now racist for not engaging with black perps. Flip side of that will be the emboldened black criminals that result from a hands-off policing approach.

Hopefully he wins an appeal or something. I wonder if he had a choice to be tried by a judge instead.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

how they're now racist for not engaging with black perps

Exactly, white cops are damned if they do, damned if they dont

Flip side of that will be the emboldened black criminals that result from a hands-off policing approach

The Chauvin effect may have some positives. Whites policing blacks is all so tiresome and they don't even appreciate it. It might be best to leave them to their own devices and stew in their juices for a while. The down side is the spillover from black areas that will hurt whites.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah. But it's a lose-lose no matter what. Segregation was a Chesterton's fence that shouldn't have been removed, and funny enough it's the silver bullet solution for leftwing complaints of systemic discrimination. Just like the NRA/GOP not doing shit to help firearms so they can continue to have a drum to beat their supporters into a frenzy when they need to, so too does the left by not implementing real policies (segregation) that would solve their solutions. Just keep letting the fire burn so that you can get people to do what you want. It's terrible and wasteful.

Let people have their own communities with all their necessities, maybe even let people cross borders to commute to and from work, but then spend the rest of their day in their own area. It's a simple solution and would solve these kinds of problems.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chesterton's fence

for those of you, like me who had to look it up, Chesterton's fence means, don't take a fence down until you know why it was put up.

Or for fuck sake, take it down in trial cities and see how it goes. Oh, it goes like shit, better double down, obviously we just didn't do it enough.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see how segregation could work out well in the long run. What would prevent black areas from turning into no-go zones with unmanageable amounts crime, poverty, corruption, and dysfunction? Even basic utilities like water and sewer are a challenge for blacks.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What would prevent black areas from turning into no-go zones with unmanageable amounts crime, poverty, corruption, and dysfunction?

Good point. Quick answer is: not our problem (?). Either way it would a step in the right direction.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, but just wait till all cops are PoC. I think that must be (((their))) goal. Pretty soon cops will be necklacing you for jaywalking.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the cops will be policing whites instead and whiteness will soon be illegal.

[–]AngryBannedRedditor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Floyd had overdose concentrations of fentanyl and morphine in his system.

That's a lie.

fentanyl isn't what killed Floyd, and the amount in his system was similar to that found in people who took the drug and were arrested for DUI, but didn't die.

Blood tests conducted as part of Floyd's post-mortem autopsy revealed 11 nanograms per milliliter, or ng/ml, of fentanyl present. According to expert witnesses, this wasn't enough to be considered fatal.

He stated because fentanyl typically slows down a person's breathing, the drug was not a contributing factor based on his calculations of Floyd's breathing rate based on witness video, which at the time appeared about the same as a healthy individual.

While Floyd's toxicology report did reveal fentanyl present, expert witnesses at his murder trial have stated there was not enough to be considered fatal or impact his breathing and oxygen levels. Floyd died due to lack of oxygen from the force of Chauvin's knee on his neck.

That alone should have been enough for reasonable doubt as to the cause of death.

Too bad the cop's lawyer did not bring that up in court.

Chauvin supposedly was perfectly fine following police procedure

It's police procedure to have put all your weight on your knee when you place your knee on a guy's neck and back for 8 minutes straight? If he was following police procedure, why didn't his lawyer bring that up in court? Why is it that there was a current cop said what Chauvin did is not procedure?

Lt. Johnny Mercil, who has been in charge of teaching the use of force in the Minneapolis Police Department's training division, says former officer Derek Chauvin's use of his knee on George Floyd's neck is not a technique the police teach when instructing officers how to restrain people.

Too bad Chauvin's lawyer failed to bring up in court that Chauvin was following procedure even though Lt. Johnny Mercil testified to say Chauvin did not follow police procedure.

Floyd said he had trouble breathing in advance of being put prone

Liar, he said he's claustrophobic.

and could clearly breathe well enough to keep proclaiming that he couldn't breathe.

lol!

In court, Blackwell asked Tobin whether it's true that if someone can talk, they can breathe. Tobin replied that it is true, but he warned it can give people a false sense of security. "At the moment that you are speaking, you are breathing," he said, "but it doesn't tell you that you're going to be breathing five seconds later."

As Floyd struggled to breathe, Tobin said, he eventually pressed his own forehead, nose and chin into the asphalt, attempting to "crank up" his chest to let air in. But as Floyd turned his head on its side, Tobin said, Chauvin's knee moved further toward the side of Floyd's neck, compressing his hypopharynx. Anyone experiencing that type of compression would find it "enormously more difficult to breathe," Tobin said.

Truly a verdict worthy of the inverted Clownworld we're living in.

Honk! Honk!

Hopefully he wins an appeal or something.

Maybe his appellate lawyer will argue ineffective counsel because from what I have read in your post, you raised a lot of issues Chauvin's lawyer failed to bring up.

I wonder if he had a choice to be tried by a judge instead.

He did but he chose not to because his lawyer said he would have a better chance with a jury than with a judge. A judge is not an idiot like the people who compose a jury.

[–]Nombre27 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Floyd had overdose concentrations of fentanyl and morphine in his system.

That's a lie.

Nope. See below. This is all from published studies.

Page 2

No life-threatening injuries identified

Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL

Morphine - Free 86 ng/mL

Page 17

In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.

Apparently fentanyl gets metabolized into the inactive norfentanyl. So I think this indicates an upper level dose which is the sum of these two, 16.6 ng/mL.

According to this, the typical therapeutic concentration is 0.63 to 2 ng/mL.

A 2017 case report published in Academic Emergency Medicine detailed an outbreak of fentanyl overdoses in Northern California.

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All 18 patients tested positive for the drug. The mean serum fentanyl concentration of 52.9 ng/mL was considerably higher than therapeutic concentrations ranging from 0.63 to 2 ng/mL.

Postmortem Toxicology Findings of Acetyl Fentanyl, Fentanyl, and Morphine in Heroin Fatalities in Tampa, Florida

In the heroin cases with fentanyl present (n=7), the average free morphine concentration was 0.040 mg/L, the average total morphine concentration was 0.080 mg/L, and the average fentanyl concentration was 0.012 mg/L.

0.040 mg/L free morphine is the same as 40 ng/mL.

0.012 mg/L of fentanyl is the same as 12 ng/mL.

One thing that happens in drug addiction is that your receptors increase in number (upregulate) and then decrease in number (downregulate) when people stop for a while. With prolonged drug use, people need higher doses to saturate their receptors in order to get an effect.

Just some information about how overdosing and receptor sensitivity works, if you're unfamiliar.

Desensitization

Desensitization

Desensitization refers to a reduced response to an agonist drug due to over activation of a receptor (high doses, prolonged exposure to agonist). There is a number of mechanisms of desensitization including: loss of receptor function through a decrease in receptor-coupled signaling components (e.g., G-proteins). Receptor desensitization may occur in the absence of significant changes in the number of receptors.

Downregulation

Downregulation specifically refers to a reduction in the total number of receptors available to be stimulated due to prolonged receptor activation (e.g. by chronic treatment with a pharmacological agonist drug or prolonged inhibition of metabolism of a neurotransmitter). This reduction in receptors in turn will decrease the cell’s sensitivity to an agonist or drug. Downregulation occurs through endocytosis. Internalized receptors may either be degraded in the lysosomes or recycled back to the membrane surface later.

What happens when people return to doing drugs after time off, is that they've become re-sensitized, i.e. they can get a similar effect from a lower dose that previously required a higher dose because their receptors returned to normal. Then when they ingest a dose that they previously required to get an effect (a higher than normal dose), but because they're more sensitive, they end up overdosing.

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's police procedure to have put all your weight on your knee when you place your knee on a guy's neck and back for 8 minutes straight? If he was following police procedure, why didn't his lawyer bring that up in court? Why is it that there was a current cop said what Chauvin did is not procedure?

Wasn't on his neck. Second video shows this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEk3BGkJu_M

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Floyd said he had trouble breathing in advance of being put prone

Liar, he said he's claustrophobic.

Here, take a look at the raw footage yourself

About 10 minutes in, Floyd is in the back seat and says that he can't breathe. This is advance of being put in a prone position, exactly as I said. You're right that he did mention claustrophobia, at ~7:45 in the raw footage. However, if that's the case, it doesn't appear that being removed from this claustrophobic environment changed his behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQYMBALDXc

Anyway, I expect you to rescind your comment about my being a liar.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No need to feed the troll here.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have hope that he's sincere. Either way, I'm just stating the facts and contradictions for others to see and understand. Thanks for the heads up though.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and could clearly breathe well enough to keep proclaiming that he couldn't breathe.

lol!

This is nonsensical. He's speaking quite voluminously while Chauvin is on top of him. His knee wasn't on either of his carotid arteries to cause him to pass out. I have little doubt that he died from lack of oxygen, however, it clearly wasn't from the knee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcFoi1q9Cf4

From your NPR link

"All of these four forces are ultimately going to result in the low tidal volume, which gives you the shallow breaths" that can't effectively bring oxygen into the lungs, Tobin said.

Again, this is nonsensical as he clearly had no problem being loud despite the knee on his neck.

There's more than enough confounders for reasonable doubt to exist:

  • the fentanyl - 4-5x a known lethal concentration, see my other post.

  • his health

On cross-examination, defense attorney Eric Nelson honed in on Floyd's pre-existing cardiovascular disease, pointing out that Floyd had a 90% blockage of the right coronary artery.

Floyd’s blood pressure, 216 over 160, came as a surprising figure to Fowler, a former Maryland chief medical examiner, in analyzing the case, he told Nelson.

Tobin testified that tests on Floyd's blood indicated his oxygen saturation level was 98 percent, meaning the amount of carbon monoxide would be no more than 2 percent.

Many of these people gave testimony the defies common sense as well medical knowledge, one expert cardiologist testifying on behalf of the prosecution:

https://www.unz.com/article/the-derek-chauvin-trial/

Dr. Rich said the medical records showed hypertension (high blood pressure), drug taking, and anxiety.

The doctor thought Floyd had a “strong” heart because of his high blood pressure. He said high blood pressure is bad for you over the long run, because the heart eventually “tires out.”

On cross-exam, Mr. Nelson asked Dr. Rich if, hypothetically, a patient with a 90 percent artery blockage can die of a heart attack and the doctor agreed. He agreed that Floyd had heart disease, but repeated that he did not think Floyd had a heart attack. He said his body had created extra blood vessels to compensate for the blockage, and added that a patient is more likely to have a heart attack with less than 90 percent blockage.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As Floyd struggled to breathe, Tobin said, he eventually pressed his own forehead, nose and chin into the asphalt, attempting to "crank up" his chest to let air in. But as Floyd turned his head on its side, Tobin said, Chauvin's knee moved further toward the side of Floyd's neck, compressing his hypopharynx. Anyone experiencing that type of compression would find it "enormously more difficult to breathe," Tobin said.

That's interesting. Autopsy didn't reveal any damage to that area though, i.e. the physical evidence doesn't support what that person is asserting, ergo it's just conjecture (invalid for coming to a sound conclusion).

[–]AngryBannedRedditor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What makes this a kangaroo court? The fact you did not like the verdict?

[–]TheWorldToCome 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

AngryBannedRedditor

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The statute of limitations on murder is never, so now I want them to go after Tony Timpa's "executioners" who WERE infinitely more callous, of course because he's White, but no one made a peep. No marches, no riots, just crickets. Clown fucking world.