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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

How do you explain the Habsburg jaw? Or Tay Sachs?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

That's the European aristocracy and Jews inbreeding. What on Earth made you think that claiming certain groups inbreed means that others don't?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/38/6/1453/673854

Consanguineous marriage happened in multiple European societies.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

No one said it didn't but even the paper you cited talks of strict laws limiting consanguinity laid down by the Church. Look up any current measure of consanguinity today -- and that means yesterday as well -- and the highest levels are in the Middle East and Africa.

Even the British have to deal with the high levels of inbred Pakistani defects given their proclivity to marry their own cousins. This is well known and undisputed so it begs the question why someone would ask about the Habsburg jaw when another person mentions high levels of inbreeding in certain populations.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not arguing with anything else. I'm pointing out that historically there was inbreeding in European societies as well, and you skipped over the point in the study where the church could be paid off or convinced to allow the marriages. Marriage to first cousins is still legal within some parts of the US too.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It existed but because of the culture it was low in relation to other societies both yesterday and right now. Marriage to first cousins may be legal in the US but it doesn't happen that often whereas in the countries in the Middle East where consanginuity is the highest it isn't just legal it's practically de rigueur as it has been for generations.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not an expert in any of this. Did you look at factors like nutrition? Malnutrition impacts brain development. If your society features your women as second class, getting ahold of necessary foods for good brain development in utero and during breastfeeding is probably going to have an impact. I don't know how much biology compensates for that, or if there's loopholes/protectionary methods.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Well now you've moved the discussion from a debate about levels of consanguinity within populations to one about malnutrition. I'm sorry but I don't know what the two have to do with each other. Are hungry people more likely to engage in incest? What is the point now -- presumably you've discarded your original one -- you're trying to make?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't have propaganda here. I honestly don't give a shit about the overlying argument. I'm trying to get you to think of other factors affecting the behaviors that you guys are discussing in the thread. Carry on.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and you skipped over the point in the study where the church could be paid off or convinced to allow the marriages.

Exactly and as I stated in my original post this was a habit only the wealthy and the aristocracy could afford to engage in hence things like the Habsburg jaw. Normal people couldn't afford things like that and that's why there's relatively low levels of consanguinity in European populations compared to other societies.