America is resembling the late Soviet union more and more

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[–]Bagarmoossen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also by 1990 Russians were on the verge of losing their majority status in the USSR. European nationalities had been suffering from demographic decline since WWII while the Muslim republics still had third-world level birth rates. In fact, if the USSR were still around today, Muslims would be responsible for approximately half of all births, or maybe more. Even if the commie leadership had managed to reform the system and keep the country together for an extra decade, it would eventually collapse and plunge into a civil war just like Yugoslavia, for demographic reasons alone.

If we look at it from this perspective, the fall of the USSR was not just the collapse of the Communist bloc, it was also the collapse of Russian Imperial power, as the Soviet Union was the successor state of the Russian Empire and Russians were the dominant nationality politically and culturally. Russians in a way continued to act as colonists in the moslem Republics during the Soviet period, and when the system collapsed they left en masse, just like Germans left the East after the Nazi defeat. We don't usually see it that way but I view the fall of the USSR as another chapter in the century-long decline of European political, cultural, economic and military power.

[–]SamiAlHayyidGrand Mufti Imam Sheikh Professor Al Hadji Dr. Sami al-Hayyid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This reminds me of some author (I've never been able to relocate where I read this) who posited that USSR was not the enemy of the West because it was (by the time that he was writing) 'conservative'.

It also reminds me of two incidents alleged to have involved Leonid Brezhnev. It is unclear whether either actually happened.

One incident allegedly involves Brezhnev and Thatcher (some other sources put it as Brezhnev and Callaghan). Brezhnev is alleged to have said: 'There is only one important question facing us, and that is the question of whether the white race will survive.' In the Thatcher version of this story, Thatcher allegedly stormed out of the room then and there, rather than answering Brezhnev.

Another incident allegedly involves Brezhnev and Nixon. Brezhnev basically says that the USA/USSR are the world's two 'White powers' and that they should be on the same side against Red China. He also mentions that if nuclear war breaks out between USA/USSR, the browns and yellows (he refers to them by skin colour) will be ruling the Earth. Nixon was supposedly silent, not replying to these remarks.

If these events were true, this has the amusing implication that a literal part-Tatar Communist leader was more 'racist' than Thatcher or Nixon. Some Far-Leftists have attempted to explain this away by claiming that Thatcher and Nixon were 'racist' and that Brezhnev was simply talking in language that they would understand, i.e. by appearing to be a fellow 'racist'. Obviously there is something off about this excuse given that neither Thatcher nor Nixon were 'racist' enough to even respond, let alone agree.

Personally I disagree about viewing the USSR as a continuity of the Russian civilization. But there are some who have believed it. For example, there was a Russian dissident who returned to Russia long after the revolution, claiming that the Bolsheviks had become patriotic. Because his opposition to them was on the basis of their internationalism/anti-Russianism, he thought that the differences between him and them were essentially gone.