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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

No. Putin is a patriot who will work with anyone -- including Jews -- as long as he thinks it's beneficial for his own power and for his nation. If every person who had a Jewish friend or who had any dealings with Jews in their life was considered a Jew then the global Jewish population would increase by around a billion.

The difference between the Republicans in America and a person like Putin is the Republicans are anti-patriots when it comes to Israel's interests and their own. The second Putin becomes an anti-patriot and begins putting the interests of Jews above that of Russia and the Russian people I'll listen.

For now I mostly hear this lunatic 'Here's Jewtin in Yarmulke Kike confirmed!!!!!' nonsense from the gruggest tier of the WN scene.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

dugganist globe earth shill

[–]Ethnosomniator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

beneficial for his own power and for his nation

now this is very much the definition of dissonance. Jews, as empirically demonstrated over and over and over and over, and especially in Russia, will devastate a country while sucking it dry. But of course they shmooze and establish strong connections with politicans and can absolutely be of great assistance to both a shooting star and an established ace.

It's actually the other way around. You will see if a politician is a patriot if jews hate him. Of course, this itself might spell the end of a career. (Greater)Germany's top mainstream antisemites (Möllemann, Haider) were both mossaded.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

you will see if a politician is a patriot if jews hate him.

Jews absolutely loathe Putin. Especially the ex-pat Russian ones who are the foremost critics of him in the West. From Applebaum, to Gessen and for every other Berg, Blat and Stein in the West he's basically Hitler reincarnated.

Who ran the effectively anti-Russian putsch in Ukraine? Nudelman who is Kagan's wife. Who does every single Neoconservative Heeb claim is the biggest threat to 'world order'? Putin.

Putin IS hated by Jews and for good reasons.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

An anti-semite is a person who refuses to let Jews plunder him and his people

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well now you've moved the goal posts. I don't know if he's an anti-Semite or not although I'm sure he's an incredibly intelligent person so I doubt they've escaped his scrutiny. He is the only current world leader to have openly pointed out the massive over representation of Jews in the Bolshevik movement. I guess that's a sign that's he's not entirely ignorant of the issue.

The point is though that you can be a Nationalist and not anti-Semitic and you could also be an anti-Semitic Nationalist who cultivates a relationship with and seeks to harness Jews. I don't think anyone could deny that at least to some degree the malign influence of the Jewish robber barons in Russia has been curtailed and made to work for the state rather than against it.

I'll admit I admire Putin and that's why I defend him but of course he's not the saviour of the White race and as much as I admire his actions especially in the Syrian conflict I know he's not coming to save the White race. I just don't know exactly what his detractors on the right want him to do and never get a reasonable explanation.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with everything you say. Putin come as a normal moderate dictator. I just asked if these stories about him being Jewish are true

[–]Girondin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If Putin really is such a patriot then why do they jail nationalist? why do they have speech laws which they use to persecute nationalist and keep a list of banned extremist material. Putin is better then most western government yes, but I would hesitate to call him a "patriot". He will work with anyone or cater to anyone to get his state and regime from faltering but I wouldn't call him a true defender of the Russian people that patriotism implies.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If Putin really is such a patriot then why do they jail nationalist?

Great question. I know the Putin government is not a fan of hardcore Nationalists in many ways but I've read that they're mostly left alone. Who are the Nationalists you mean?

why do they have speech laws which they use to persecute nationalist and keep a list of banned extremist material.

The answer to the second part is important to understand. Most of the material on that list relates to Nazi Germany and fascism. The most important achievement in recent Russian history, from their perspecrive, is the destruction of those two forces. Obviously I don't think any patriotic Russian state would be that keen on revisionism when it comes to Nazi Germany. What would be the point of a patriot teaching people that 'Oh actually, you know that Great Patriotic War? Well actually the Soviets were the bad guys and the Nazis were the good guys and it was all for naught. Sorry about that!'.

The profound difference between how WW2 is taught to people like us and Russians is that for us it's taught in way where the final lesson is we're all actually evil people who, if we're not careful, might become Nazis tomorrow so we better watch ourselves and not think we have a right to self-assertion. Russians aren't taught that. They're taught how awesome it was to crush their enemy. The idea of WW2 bolsters their National pride it doesn't diminish it.

[–]Girondin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Russia is actually overall pretty good on historical revisionism, Jürgen Graf was sentenced to 2 years in jail and lost his acdemic position in Switzerland for holocaust revisionism, but he has faced relatively little problems in Russia. It is one of the safest white countries for historical revisionism, Germarr Rudolf has been threatened with deportation many times in the US and his recent criminal charge seems politically motivated.

I don't think people should be charged for wrongthink, Tesak (who was basically the russian version of Andew Anglin) and Dmitry Bobrov, was charged under article 282, their are many others.

Russian regime is definitely more based then all current majority white countries. And Putin is much better then Navalny (who also supports punishing nationalists and is just a grifter). I Disagree that he is a real patriot or nationalist.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm confused now because earlier you were claiming Putin was unpatriotic because of his bans on certain literature -- bans which were enacted during the disastrous experiment with liberal 'democracy' before his tenure -- and now you're saying that the country is actually sympathetic to revisionism.

I don't think people should be charged for wrongthink, Tesak (who was basically the russian version of Andew Anglin)

Nor do I but honestly if I was in charge I wouldn't be a free speech absolutist -- far from it in fact.

So Putin isn't a patriot because Tesak -- a pretty volatile and unruly fellow in his life -- was jailed? Was Tesak a patriot or was he just another goofy sieg heiling, publicity seeking bore who did nothing for Russian people? Why is he a person I should respect or worry about? (Genuine question as well I know very little about him.)

[–]SamiAlHayyidGrand Mufti Imam Sheikh Professor Al Hadji Dr. Sami al-Hayyid 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. I always thought there was something off from when I first became aware of Russia's nationalist scene and how Russian nationalists hated the Putinist regime for, among other things, facilitating Central Asian immigration en masse. These Russian nationalists absolutely despised the Trumpians and other types who hold a (by Western standards) positive opinion towards Putin. The Putin regime is nasty in many ways—one example I remember is how they turned a blind eye to the assassination of Russian officers all across the country by Chechens after the war was over. The Kadyrov faction in Chechnya effectively allied itself to the Russian government against the other Chechen factions. Putin's lot then let them kill whoever they wanted to 'take revenge' on across Russia. To make matters worse, to keep Kadyrov loyal or attempt preventing another Chechen uprising that might lead to instability or increased American presence in the region, Russia puts disproportionately huge amounts of wealth into Chechnya. Such that Chechnya is very well developed and has been compared to Dubai. And about Asian immigration—it has been said that Moscow will be majority Muslim/Asian in a few decades and that the far-east is rapidly becoming majority Chinese.

There is also the problem of the oligarchs who held immense power during the 1990s in particular. Putin put himself above these people and got rid of some of them, but most of them are still there. Very few of them are ethnic Russians.

I think it has only been in the last few years that the true nature of Putin's regime has become known on the Dissident Right. It used to be that Putin held immense popularity. Especially around 2016 when I was most active on forums—I don't think anyone ever mentioned these truths about Putin's regime. They were things I only learned from Russians online, not Westerners. I think it is generally agreed upon that he is a civic nationalist who believes in a culturally Russian and not ethnically Russian Russia. This was first pointed out to me by someone who noted that there were two terms for what we have a single-term (Russian) for. One term is for Russians as an ethnic group. The other is for Russians as a cultural group (which is a label that is inclusive of Dagestanis, etc.). The Putin regime is simply 'nationalist' in the sense of the second group, not the first.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those laws are mostly used against islamists

[–]Oingo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea that Putin is a nationalist who'll ultimately save the european peoples is a complete joke.
Realistically, he's part of the russian oligarchy, and doesn't give a shit about the russian people. The occasional race conscious, pro-white statements he gives is simply an attempt at blowing the embers of a hyper racialized America in the hopes of sowing discord. He's not good or evil, he operates for the benefit of his class as well as geopolitical interests.

That's not to say he won't be helpful to national movements here-but that any such benefit would purely be ancillary.

[–]Girondin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's dumb to speculate on weather someone Jewish or not, we have to look at the overall picture of the Putin regime / current Russia.

  • Russia is a consistent friend of the nationalist state of Israel
  • Russia jails nationalist for hate speech, weak on stopping immigration

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Russia is a consistent friend of the nationalist state of Israel

Is whatever 'friendship' they have with Israel harming Russian interests?

So Russia supports Israel's most dangerous enemies in the Syrian conflict and beyond because it is just a Jew controlled country and Putin works in their interest? Funny thing to do for a Jew shill to use his own military to fight alongside Assad, Hezbollah and Iran. Super 6D multi-tier chess?