The dissident right should focus more on creating popular culture

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from self.debatealtright

Books and comics are the only forms of entertainment that right wingers can do. They don't require much investment cash but can connect with vast audiences. On webtoons, there are several comics with readership over 10 million. Cinema is the big screen, its glamorous with huge budgets, effects and sexy actors. However, the ultimate purpose of any form of entertainment is storytelling and well...entertaining.

The more woke they get, the worse the storytelling becomes and as its filled with ugly niggers and fatties, less people are attracted to it.

You can see the dearth of creativity in hollywood over the last 10 years. Not a single new franchise or storyline has come out. All are comic book adaptations, reboots, remakes and leeching of the legacies of classic franchises like star wars, star trek and etc.

Even those franchises, like star wars and ghostbusters are simply being ruined as all the modern hollywood elite seem to be bereft of creativity or storytelling abilities. They just insert more niggers, faggots and CGI and hope it will work.

The only thing they really sell is capeshit. Its beyond count how many capeshit tv series there are out there and how many movies. Sadly, there's a huge mass of bugmen manchildren who grew up on this garbage and will religiously watch it.

Don't know how many people watch this negro passion of the christ movies that come out in abundance nowadays. Most of all, as they wage war on beauty and normality, they are going to replace the hot Henry Cavills and Chris Hemsworths with she-niggers or he-niggers.

The hot blonde babes will also be replaced by black as ink sheboons and worse...trannies. I believe this will kill a lot of their audience. The disastrous effects of this can't be understated as many young and older people are allured by these beautiful faces.

Hopefully, hollywood will self destruct in time. RW needs to create their own good entertainment and capture some of the audience. I don't know how expensive animation is, but I doubt it can be done on individual initiative or by a group of 10-12 friends. Maybe with some funding you can get 1999- anime level quality.

Entertainment is hugely important. It is the right's biggest blind spot. Its filled with nerds and serious family guy types that focus on business and office jobs. But in reality, culture is changed and shaped by entertainment. Storytelling is how people absorb ideology and how they form their narratives of the world.

In ancient greece, poets and bards through epics and hyms formed Greek culture and their perception of the world. Mass entertainment is the modern version of that.

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[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The White Art Collective has been putting out good art for a while now, and it's in production on its first serial show, called Star Boat.

WAC is going places.

[–]Oingo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shoutout to 'Folk', a publication celebrating european culture and aesthetic. https://www.whitepeoplepress.com/product/folk/

[–]DisgustResponse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

100% agree, but I think you spelled out the reasons already why this hasn't happened. No money, no infrastructure, not enough people in the movement who have the talents and vision all in one place to make it happen. Plus, these industries tend to be heavily gatekept, so anyone who is both based and talented has probably learned to keep to their head very low.

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yea, there's no way we're getting on the existing big-screens or streaming platforms.

we are basically limited to guerrilla media warfare in the the mean time. return to monke

[–]sylla94 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Books and comics are the only forms of entertainment that right wingers can do

I don't think that's really fair; what would memes be if not popular culture? I think it's the thing we do best and yet something we can do even better still. they're free, readily produced, easily and immediately spread, hard to shut down and they are very potent vehicles of redpills and propaganda. everyone on the internet looks at and shares memes to some extent, even your grandpa; whether they be text, image or video. all that really limits us is our wit and creativity

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not quite the same.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that's really fair; what would memes be if not popular culture?

Very good point, although there are great and very obvious limitations to the narrative content of memes. The failure to respect these limitations is why "leftist memes" are so bad and rambling. The advantage of right wing memes in that regard is that they do not need to present an elaborate ideological narrative, but can instead just point at discrepancies between the dominant leftist ideology and reality. If you want to engage in deep examination of rightist values or present a compelling, complete rightist narrative however you will need to use a different medium. I think digital books and pamphlets would be the perfect medium for that today, assuming modern people still have the attention span to read more than 140 characters at a time.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But in reality, culture is changed and shaped by entertainment. Storytelling is how people absorb ideology and how they form their narratives of the world.

In ancient greece, poets and bards through epics and hyms formed Greek culture and their perception of the world. Mass entertainment is the modern version of that.

I have to object to this view. Calling the epics "entertainment" is very reductionist and modern. Great art may entertain, but unlike modern entertainment that is not its primary concern. You are very correct that storytelling is how a worldview can be conveyed and popularised, but entertainment isn't the legitimate vehicle for this type of storytelling. The reason that people get their worldview from Marvel movies and other consoomer shit today is because every other legitimate authority - religious institutions, political institutions, cultural institutions, communities, families and so on - have either been damaged beyond repair or have abdicated their responsibility. Entertainment acts in the role that it does because of liberalism and atomisation, not because this is its natural purpose.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The modern conservative character does not create artists, they are not even interested in creating it. The lack of artists created by conservatives in recent decades has not been due to suppression, they just don't produce artists other than perhaps some musicians/songwriters. Throughout the 20th century, especially by the 2nd half, the culture of arts became exclusively a liberal/left domaine. Conservative culture repelled the artist. However I can see this changing in coming decades as the liberal culture and its art continues to degrade. Not only can the current culture not produce great, it struggles to produce even good art.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You are talking about mainstream conservatives.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I am talking about everything associated with the Right but yes, it is mostly in reference to "conservatives". It's not as if the far right has been producing any successful or influential artists in recent decades either.

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That would be precisely because of "suppression", though. Up until the postwar period a huge number of artists and artistic currents were "far right". These people didn't just magically disappear after 1945.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The lack of far right artists has nothing to due with suppression. You can try and make that excuse for film but no one is stopping a right wing person from writing a successful novel or book series but there barely exists any fiction authors who can be described as right wing in the modern era let alone any who have had good success. By the early 20th century the arts culture already skewed left/liberal, the 2nd half of the 20th century it became almost exclusively left/liberal.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Most right wingers can't even keep an account on Twitter for more than six months at a time and you think that there was nothing that impeded right wing artists in the postwar period?

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, I don't. Being "right wing" doesn't even have to be radical. Whether radical or conservative there is a noticeable lack of artists who are not liberal or leftist. There are some conservatives who work in Hollywood but rarely in writing. Vox Day is rare example of a novelist. Nothing is stopping the right from making art. There are endless amounts of political books by conservatives and even many far right books get published but rarely ever does the modern right produce fiction writing.

It wasn't always like this and it wont always be like this. Many of the all time greats would be considered rightwing or conservative in their era, like Wagner, Dostoevsky, and Tolkien; and the further you go back in time the left and right concept becomes irrelevant.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Being "right wing" doesn't even have to be radical.

Being right wing is always radical, unless by "right wing" you really mean "liberal democratic". The fact to the matter is that all the institutions that deal with publishing and marketing are dominated by a group of people who despise rightism. Even if you write the best novel ever and praise the virtues of elitism, honour, loyalty, domination etc. these people will quietly sweep your work under the rug and pretend that it does not exist. I am sure that there are plenty of great novels written over the past century consigned to oblivion for similar reasons.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are endless amounts of non fiction books that get published by both conservative and far right writers. Amazon still has tons of books we would consider far right or nationalist and prior to a few years ago would sell basically anything, even Kevin McDonalds books were on there for years.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those are two completely different markets, pop culture has nothing to do with nonfiction.