Racial Whiteness | The civic nationalist vs ethnonationalist debate

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[–]Jacinda[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

SS: Spencer Quinn has an article over at Counter Currents discussing the shortcomings of civic nationalism (cultural whiteness), contrasting it with ethnonationalism (racial whiteness). Most of the points made will be well known to the readers here but I particularly taken by the following comment (From Desert Flower in response to Duchesne) and thought I would share.

Counter Currents:

[I]t’s not just about insisting on the teaching and promotion of Western values to everyone currently living in the West. That can be done without Europeans. We learn about ancient Persian culture without the true Persians around anymore.

In my opinion, Spencer Quinn did a fine (and fun) job addressing Mr. Matthews’ shortcomings w/r/t White Nationalism. In Mr. Matthews’ recent Taki’s article (and in other articles elsewhere), he does indeed promote the idea that a predominately white U.S. is enough, and that is the main of civic nationalism.

It took me a long time to get here, but I now disagree with that general idea. I cannot count how many non-whites in California I met and worked with who love, love, love the U.S.A. and Western culture generally (they really do!) but they don’t like whites.

I don’t want to live and work side by side anymore with people (even highly educated ones) who hate my race but wish to enjoy the benefits my race created (never mind their faulty logic). I’ve come to resent these foreigners right back, and it’s uncomfortable living like this. There is a better, more harmonious way to live.

I’d like to see the promotion of Western values (and “classical liberal values” aren’t the main of it) all around the world, but what is more important to me is the preservation and proliferation of the race that created “Western Civilization.” I want us to thrive, flourish, be prosperous and be physically safe from the divisive and destructive envy and resentment of non-Europeans. This is first and foremost on my mind.

It’s not just about the survival and sharing of our cultural values, and especially heritage American values. Anyone can attempt to “do” Western values –but should do so in their own homelands, not ours. [Cont...]

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It took me a long time to get here, but I now disagree with that general idea. I cannot count how many non-whites in California I met and worked with who love, love, love the U.S.A. and Western culture generally (they really do!) but they don’t like whites.

I don’t want to live and work side by side anymore with people (even highly educated ones) who hate my race but wish to enjoy the benefits my race created (never mind their faulty logic).

Certain educated non-whites being anti-white is exaggerated. The majority of Asian-Americans for example aren't. The population is small enough that it doesn't damage white Americans. There are literally more anti-white whites than the entire population of Asian-Americans. I believe trends from anti-white Jews are being too quickly applied to other educated non-whites. Immigration should stop but my argument is you can live with educated non-whites already here given they are less than 15% of the population.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Immigration should stop but my argument is you can live with educated non-whites already here given they are less than 15% of the population.

I think a majoritarian (90% or whatever number a statistician or the local populace comes up with) goal is more reasonable.

The other part of this is not allowing the political enfranchisement of subversives or outsiders/foreigners. Go ahead and work and live and do well for yourself and your family. But you will never have voting rights or be allowed to subversively sway citizens. I suppose a proper outlet for that would be allowing such opinions to be aired in a public forum, possibly with or without consequence, after considering the implications. I don't know if eventual blood quanta cut-offs is also a solution to possible integration or not, but I suppose that could be debated as an option.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think a majoritarian (90% or whatever number a statistician or the local populace comes up with) goal is more reasonable.

I don't know if eventual blood quanta cut-offs is also a solution to possible integration or not, but I suppose that could be debated as an option.

I believe that the allowed percentage of non-whites should first be filled with people who have majority White DNA. Currently as it stands 2.9% of the population identifies as mixed so this wouldn't be a problem if the allowed percentage is 10%. As for voting rights I guess that would be up to the people.