Collapse of the Catholic church in Poland: Only 9% of young Poles view the church positively

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https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1372883098287869955

Christianity's day's are numbered in the white world. Zoomers are divided into three political types: classical liberals, rabid leftists and Nationalists.

Christianity really has no appeal to any of these factions. The modern church is a traitorous and wicked institution.

It promotes mass immigration, dysgenics and total submission to the left. The catholic and Orthodox churches at least pay some lip service to social conservatism, most protestant churches don't even pretend that far.

Thus, they alienate their natural base which is nationalist. They appeal to lefties but they have no interest in church. They are fanatical atheists and the church is simply a diet version of what they see on MSNBC.

It doesn't attract libs as well for the aforementioned reasons.

Christianity is more or less doomed to die due to the treachery of its leadership. In South Africa and America, the ''based'' protestant churches sold out to Jewish money. The Churches were decisive in inculcating boomers with this multiracial liberal ideology. All of the large ones are fully in the pocket of Jewish money.

Even more insidious are the evangelical churches that worship Jews

https://www.wbur.org/npr/148076026/christians-provide-free-labor-on-jewish-settlements

Here are white America evangelicals doing free labor in Jewish settlements in Israel! Voluntary slaves.

The good thing is that evangelical churches are losing young followers at a rapid pace.

https://www.frc.org/op-eds/why-younger-evangelicals-are-leaving-the-church-some-arguments-against-the-conventional-wisdom

Furthermore, the death of Christianity in Europe deprives the Jews of an insidious vector through which they can infect the right there. Good, conservative minded whites are brainwashed into worshiping Israel and Jews.

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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Christianity stopped being adaptive for Europeans a long time ago and that is why it has been largely abandoned. In the church's attempts to gain more converts (and money) it continued to debase itself to the point of being totally useless - letting in homosexuals, enabling female independence, being pro-immigration, etc. There is nothing about the religion that is adaptive anymore

The fundamental failure of christianity as a religion for whites is that it is not ethnic-specific, like judaism is. It's universalist tenets spiraled out of control and became it's dominant features, to the detriment of the whites who largely founded it. I don't think it can be salvaged unless we have some dramatic economic reversal or political unrest in the near future

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Christianity stopped being adaptive for Europeans a long time ago and that is why it has been largely abandoned.

How are those societies that have abandoned it going? In your opinion have they become more or less adaptive and healthy?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They haven't abandoned it. They just adopted a secularized version of it.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

classical liberals, rabid leftists and Nationalists.

I don't know a lot of classical liberal zoomers. You also left out a critical group. The anti political. There are a huge group of zoomers that avoid politics at all cost. Granted many of these still have leftist feelings/expressions but they are an important group to monitor.

Christianity really has no appeal to any of these factions. The modern church is a traitorous and wicked institution.

It promotes mass immigration, dysgenics and total submission to the left. The catholic and Orthodox churches at least pay some lip service to social conservatism, most protestant churches don't even pretend that far.

Agreed. However, Christianity in 2021 is very different than Christianity 70 years ago and radically different than Christianity 200 or 300 years ago.

Christianity is more or less doomed to die due to the treachery of its leadership.

Good luck killing any 2000 year old religion much less one as large as Christianity.

All of the large ones are fully in the pocket of Jewish money.

This is an absolute undeniable truth. All people responsible will receive their judgement.

The Churches were decisive in inculcating boomers with this multiracial liberal ideology.

In the Catholic church this started out with the phenomena of 'cafeteria catholicism' but quickly grew to what I like to call the 'hippy jesus' movement. Jesus was rewritten as a hippy dippy character that just wanted 'love and peace man!'. Just the thought of it makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Furthermore, the death of Christianity in Europe deprives the Jews of an insidious vector through which they can infect the right there.

It wasn't always a vector of attack. There are popes that literally kicked Jews out of regions of Europe.

And to call protestants fully Jewed is going too far as well. Does this quote sound philo-semetic to you?

https://postimg.cc/VrcYjxkR

Good, conservative minded whites are brainwashed into worshiping Israel and Jews.

Also a relatively recent invention. Conservatives were pretty based up until they decided Buckley and not the John Birch Society was the future of the party.

To say Orthodox, Catholicism and Protestism are not salvageable is border line anti white rhetoric. Sure you can say they have MAJOR subversion issues but to ignore the strong pro white past of these religious expressions is foolish and short sighted. Why would we as counter semite dissidents want to cut ourselves off from a rich cultural tradition of countering Jewish degeneracy?

[–]AidsVictim69 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The (supposed) death of Christianity isn't anything to celebrate. If it were replaced by some sort of positive communal force then perhaps things would be different - but it won't be. It will be replaced by more individualism, more selfish materialism, more alienation.

Modern churches are poisoned like every other institution in the West, but the right doesn't really offer any other alternative. Bizarre appeals towards "paganism" are childish and worthless. The left also doesn't offer a real alternative, but it doesn't need to - it's quite happy to see Western society die in the thralls of a sort self hating pseudo religion.

Churches are adaptable and conform to the state of society more than it influences it. Modern churches are sick because modern society is sick.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If -- and it's a big if -- the Church does decline in terms of influence in Poland as Karlin rightly points out Poland will begin to look more and more like many Western European nations.

Still amazed that some anti-Christian WN's haven't actually accepted the fact that all our probelms have increased and been massively excacerbated by the decline of Christian religiosity in the West. (Protestants add complication to that assertion but largely it's still true.)

I guess when Poland in 20 years if Christianity does decline -- who knows if the poll is actually representative of actual attitudes -- and Poland becomes just another neo-liberal, polyglot shit hole complete with trans rights and mandatory CRT training just like Karlin guesses people like you will still be blaming Christianty itself for the degeneracy. Also the fact that all of the problems we decry occur with far more frequency in countries that are less Christian will never convince its detractors that maybe we're dealing with a deeper problem than 'Cucktianity' and maybe the second you remove the Christian faith you replace it with something far more destructive, nasty and Semitic.

Actually screw that we'll all just suddenly become....... Apollonians or some other ill defined dog shit and live out a happy White Nationalist future. Winning.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

European history did not begin with Christianity. It is true that as the Christian faith has declined, so has the West, but it's far more debateable if this decline was the product of the decline of Christianity or the decline of religiosity more generally. Additionally, it is worth asking why this decline occurred at all. Personally, I believe that there was nothing the Church could have done to prevent this decline, chiefly because the problem was rooted in its doctrines. Up until recently, the clergy played their part well, but Christian doctrine itself is simply too poorly suited to Europeans in order to rein in certain parts of the population.

I don't think there is any benefit to attacking Christianity, but at the same time there's also nothing to expect from it. If any Christians take a stand for the Right today, it will be in spite of their Christian faith, not because of it.

[–]Oingo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Undoubtedly, Christianity was the shared moral values needed to dominate and defend from other cultures at that time.
That being said, for whatever reason, Christianity has stopped being necessary for average person. To a certain degree, shared morality comes from books and tv shows, knowledge comes from our understanding of science.
I don't know enough to determine whether this is good or bad, but I can say that at its current state, Christianity doesn't seem to be the thing that will save white people and strengthen our ethnic identity.
It seems to me that all a return to Christianity would do is revive a highly religious, multi-ethnic society much like the ones we see in the middle east.

[–]Oingo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Christianity is a difficult topic. If only our dominant religion was one rooted in ancestor worship like the Hindus.
Christianity is an effective tool against 'degenerate' values. However, it alone was never the foundation of our ethnic identities or traditions. The religion was simply a far superior and comprehensive philosophy compared to anything we had at the time.
We've seen throughout history that to supplant this lack of an ethnic element, different nations adopted their own subset of christianity. Most often, the nation chooses the subset different from their neighbors to build up their identity as an 'other'. In that sense, Christianity definitely had a proxy effect of racial cohesiveness.

What does the current age require? A belief system that strengthens racial consciousness to fight the hyper-racialized tribal era we've entered. One that addresses the crushing economic equality many of the working class feel. One that serves as a good rallying tool against the astronomically wealthy, often globalist elite that seek to exploit our people at every turn.

Until Christianity adapts to address these salient issues as it's done in the past, I really don't see a sudden revival, unless it's used alongside nationalist, ethnic philosophy like it's been done in the past. Christianity is exceptional at allowing individuals to go through tough times surrounded by death and war, at uniting disparate peoples under a common aim. But unlike Judaism, it's not particularly suited for protecting ethnic identity and traditionalism.

I understand the reaction towards paganism in response to this, but paganism is too minor, its belief system of bloodlines and ancestors are well suited for the current struggles, but its philosophy isn't sufficiently built up. It could theoretically re-surge over the next centuries together with comprehensive philosophical points to build on the moral foundations it provides, but I don't see this as a realistic short to mid term solution.

[–]Bagarmoossen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Religiosity has been under attack worldwide for centuries, this is not exclusive to christianity. The Islamic world is undergoing a massive secularization under the surface. East Asia is essentialy atheistic at this point. The lure of hedonism and the "liberation" from responsability and commitment it provides is simply too great.

The only religious groups that are thriving are the ones that explicitly forbid most of the contact with the modern world and force members to practice endogamy and isolationism. Ultra Orthodox Jews and Old Order Mennonites come to mind. I think hardcore isolationism is the only way forward for groups that wish to uphold tradition. The Eastern European model is unsustainable exactly because of its incessant contact with and dependency on the west. Long term, not even Russia will be able to resist if it doesn't radicalize.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good. Fuck the Church.

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    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    the Catholic Church gave Hitler the green light for the holocaust

    lol