Brahmin somewhat interesting, still crazy

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Not sure if this is new or just new to me, but Mark Brahmin now considers himself part of a religion called Apollonianism.

I just find this weird. Brahmin has addressed the notion of this being an odd choice in a Tweet sent out today: "Is it "mad" to become an Apollonian? Yes. So is being the 1st man to hunt w a spear. So is evolution & all useful progress. So is life itself. What is "sane," safe (& passive) is devolution & extinction. Christians are not Christ-like. They are afraid & doubt the goodness of God."

To me, this is something that starts out with good intentions, but takes an arbitrary leap into an unwarranted conclusion. Brahmin is good at analyzing religion and symbolism and Brahmin believes that whites need a value system that will serve them better. Fair enough, but why the odd leap into worshipping Apollo?

From what I've heard, Spencer seems to somewhat condone this, although I'm not positive where he specifically stands. I recall one instance a couple years back where Spencer half-joking/half-serious suggested that Pepe could serve as a sort of 'new god'. While partially joking, there seems to be some idea among Brahmin and Spencer that somehow you can and should create a new God that will serve your needs and goals. Spencer also recently attacked Jesus as a "weak virgin loser" in his life, and so worshipping him won't lead us to power and such. I take that as snother reason him and Brahmin seem to be on a similar page, even if they aren't both worshipping Apollo.

This to me is odd. I think it's a function of their worldview of putting power over truth. Why should whites begin to worship Apollo just because Christianity has been problematic? Seems like a huge and random leap. And I also believe Brahmin is just kind of jerking himself off, advocating this not because it's truly the best route but because he gets some sort of personal satisfaction out of analyzing religion, symbolism and the like.

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[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He doesn't worship Apollo, it's all a cynical larp and entirely aesthetic. His Twitter bio is all you need to know about his views on spirituality. If you have a genuine interest in the topic examined through a Rightist perspective, just read Evola.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I'm cool with alt white religions. Neo paganism, Asatru, cosmothiesm, and Apollonianism all look pro white to me on the surface. The problem is when pro white religions start looking and acting like devoted anti christian organizations. That I oppose. Christianity is a native white religion. It's a religion that has a long history of speaking out against degeneracy, thottery, usury and Jews. Regardless of the subverted state it's in now it has an established record as a moral and spiritual guide to whites. In my opinion any viable alternative religion for whites must focus it's attention on white well being not 'debate' against Christians.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

But wasn't Jesus himself a Jew? Isn't he the king of the Jews? All the apostles and most of the early church fathers were Jews as well

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

This is a very very complicated topic.

For starters if you're a Christian you believe that Christ is the son of God. Sent from Heaven, conceived by the holy spirit. He can't have Jewish, white, asian, black or arab genetics. His genetics are divine. He's the only son of God.

Isn't he the king of the Jews?

Christ was called the King of the Judeans as an insult by the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate. It was a trap to get Christ to admit he was engaging in revolution. It was also an insult to Judeans who rejected Christ as the Messiah. Asking if Christ was King of the Judeans was a way to stigmatize and isolate him from support. The Judeans, Romans and apostles all knew Jesus was Galatian, born in Bethlehem a town in Lower Galilee. The Levant at the time of Christ was a trade zone with lot of different genetic groups. Galilee was a Mountain region north of Judea. It was a region that frequently allowed genetic outsiders into the tribe and ignored religious dictates from the Pharisees who ruled the tribes of Israel. In conflict with the Pharisees were the Sadducees. The Sadducees were more pro Hellenization. Thus regions like Galilee were allowed to have goyim and to experiment with outside greco roman influence. It's no surprise Christ came from this region. It's also very likely the genetics of Galatians was different then that of other tribes of Israel.

One simple yet still thorough explanation on the question of whether or not Jesus is a Jew comes from one of my favorite dissident content creators. Jews for Hitler. Here's a short version of his thesis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHnaBBbgMPY

Long story short modern Jews, if they do have any lineage to ancient Israelis, are actually from one small line of Israelis. Looking at the Ancient Levant history we see that all Caucasoids are descendants of Israelis or Shemites that came from the Caucasus mountains (but all ancient Israelis/shemittes are NOT Jews). Despite having similar genetic lineage the different groups of Caucasoid you see today come from different lines. Some noble and just. Others cursed, deceptive, and cruel. Christ offered a solution to these poor cursed, deceptive souls. Accept Christ into your soul and you can stop being a Jew. This then started the modern Christian definition of Judaism: those that reject Christ and reject christian values. This definition rejects the genetic lines but it does do us a service in helping to contain and mitigate the damage that Jews have done to moral white societies attempting to live in peace and harmony. Christianity was an attempt to heal many of these fissures that white people have created among themselves since we were one tribe in the caucus mountain next to our little larder boat.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Sent from Heaven, conceived by the holy spirit. He can't have Jewish, white, asian, black or arab genetics. His genetics are divine. He's the only son of God.

Mary was Jewish, so was he. Christianity believes he came in human form as Jesus, therefore had human genes. I'm not Christian anymore but this is what I was always taught.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I was always taught that Mary was a virgin.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes, yet Mary still gave birth to him. Since genes come from both the mother and father Jesus would've required neither to be purely divine genetics. In the human form anyway.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You didn't read my post. From both angles Jesus is not Jewish. From the divine angle he's not Jewish and from the genetic angle he's not Jewish. Jews =/= Israel. Jews MIGHT come from Judea. A small part of ancient Israel. Mary and Joseph were from Galilee. Not everyone who lived in the Ancient Levant were Jews. In fact modern Jews really can't prove they are directly related to ancient Judeans either. So there's a likelihood that all the genetics of the ancient Levant are non Jewish. I reject the notion that ancient Israel was a Jewish country. It doesn't jive with linguistics, history, or the old testament. Jews are proven liars and they are likely lying about the genetics of ancient Israel to promote zionism.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Alright. I always assumed they shared the same genetic foundation but I might be wrong.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Like I said. It's a really complicated topic fraught with dis information, layers of spirituality/religious belief and worse of all compromised historians and archaeologists. I do believe that at some point in the past Jewish people and what we think of an european white people (Germanic, anglos, nords, Iberian, Italians, gallics) were in the same small forcefully bottle-necked tribe.

I genuinely believe we had a cataclysmic event around 10k years ago that severely reduced the world population. Two distinct groups of people survived this event. People that 'planned' to survive it (building an ark, going into caves, going underground, etc) and people that did not plan to survive it (I.e. random pockets of humans that survived on accident). The modern differences in the human races related to temperament, IQ, etc are a result of this 'planned' vs non planned survival. There are probably a lot of other factors that shaped racial differences among humans (like living near the equator vs cold regions) but those are all secondary to the bottle neck that was the 'flood'. There were likely multiple cataclysms and genetic bottlenecks in the past which complicates things further...

Another thing I'm fairly confident of is that among higher IQ human racial groups there's a degree of eugenics baked into the ethnic and cultural practices that shapes the race further. Less sophisticated races are essentially shaped by the whims of nature. Intelligent races can make choices on how they want their future generations to look, think and act like. This can also back fire.... I believe whites and Asians are the results of our ancestors making certain breeding decisions (decisions I mostly align with). Jews are the result of their ancestors making certain breeding decisions (decisions I mostly reject). I have no doubt that Jews engaged in some serious incest, child rape, kidnapping, slavery, pro adrogeny, and extreme breeding of high verbal IQ types with far less focus on physicality, honor traits, or spatial intelligence. (Whites probably engaged in some extreme breed manipulation as well but to a lesser degree than Jews).

Due to this extreme difference in breeding practices I do not see how Jews and whites are genetically or culturally compatible any longer. In fact Jews and Whites are in some type of weird eternal civil war with each other and this war could cause an extreme extinction event on earth. For the sake of the health of the earth Aryan Whites (children of the Sun and worshipers of morality, honor, fairness, logos, Christ, and truth) and Jews (who have aligned themselves with hedonism, and demonic forces) must divorce forever.

edit. (Sorry to be so long winded. As you can tell this is a topic I'm very passionate about)

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Another thing I'm fairly confident of is that among higher IQ human racial groups there's a degree of eugenics baked into the ethnic and cultural practices that shapes the race further. Less sophisticated races are essentially shaped by the whims of nature.

I think it boils down to impulsivity. Lower-IQ races have many children on impulse, they also select partners on impulse. Decreased impulsivity is something that correlates with IQ itself, so it's clear that higher IQ races would take more time to find a partner. This eugenic behavior you describe revolves around IQ, at least that's my belief. Increase the IQ of a race like blacks for example, they theoretically should also select better partners.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If we're going to say that the "true" religion was discovered this late in humanity, I'd rather just not believe in God. What God could be so weak that he would have a negligible amount of believers for all of existence till this day? That sounds a lot "weaker" than Jesus Christ ever was (as presented).

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unless you're a Young Earth Creationist, Jesus puts you in the same spot.