Interesting study shows that men are happiest at war

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from self.debatealtright

https://twitter.com/AetiusRF/status/1372131335393918977

Peace is for women and the weak. War is the natural state of man.

Cool quotes aside, I do think a great portion of modern depression and hopelessness among men is the lack of conflict and struggle. Men are happiest when they are fighting for something or in some sort existential struggle. You feel more alive then.

The greatest error of the liberal mindset is the single minded lust for peace and comfort. Comfort is the end in and of itself in the liberal theology. It is reflected in all their rhetoric and policies where the end goal is always to remove any discomfort and violence. Violence is categorically wrong and the purpose of life is to live.

Life for life's sake...this mentality is best embodied by the woman who only seeks comfort and safe with no aspiration towards anything greater. Its not a coincidence that today we live in a female dominated society, where women are effectively the nobility and men are alienated.

Some feminine men like homosexuals and soyboys also share this female desire for comfort at all costs. That's why they align with things like the green party or anarcho-communism(the modern version that is).

The desire of the left is not something greater like eternal glory, triumph over other peoples or great feats of discovery, conquest or exploration. No...its luxury automated communism. A world where machines do everything and they just get to sit around, eat and masturbate to tranny porn.

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[–]Nasser 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Gonna call bullshit on this to be honest. The twitter user provided to link to this study or any statistics or anything.

Alot of guys here have never experienced combat or lived in a war zone. You can say war brings happiness or whatever in the comfort of your home but if you were actually living in it, your tune would be a lot different.

Tell someone from Syria or Yemen or Armenia that war brings happiness and see what kind of response you would get. Look for interviews of WW1 veterans, look at accounts of the impact of ptsd. Talk to War on Terror veterans. All these accounts cannot be dismissed because of one twitter screenshot.

Based on the screenshot alone, I would say the reasons admissions to mental facilities declined was because of the bombing and the associated factors along with it such as lack of mobility or conscription into the military. In both world wars, every able bodied man was forced to enlist and in France in particular they would need every man they can get.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Tell someone from Syria or Yemen or Armenia that war brings happiness and see what kind of response you would get.

Syria, Yemen and Armenia all have lower suicide rates than any rich western country lol. Happiness comes from the presence of purpose not the absence of discomfort. You are operating on the capitalist understanding of happiness which only exists as a way of selling products, of course being in war doesn't make people happy (see: consumeristic) but it does give them a purpose which is much more of a spiritual experience than anything possible in civilian life of a peaceful, liberal capitalist country.

Look for interviews of WW1 veterans, look at accounts of the impact of ptsd. Talk to War on Terror veterans. All these accounts cannot be dismissed because of one twitter screenshot.

The reason people have PTSD and all of this is because of how ridiculously horrific modern warfare is with explosives, gas etc. It's not war and combat that's the cause of these issues, it's the traumatising sights, loud noises, flashes etc caused by the technology.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you interviewed a fighter who genuinely thought he was fighting for the liberation of his people and the glory of his company he'd probably be a lot happier than many in the west. Sure western soldiers are depressed from the monotony, the bureaucracy, and from the hatred they face. But I think Taliban fighters are more content than many of us.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi has studied this, and I think what that comment was alluding to is what Csikszentmihalyi refers to as optimal experience or flow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi#Flow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)

https://www.flowskills.com/the-8-elements-of-flow.html

  1. Clarity of goals and immediate feedback

…as seen in many sports or the arts. A tennis player knows exactly what is required in order to win a game. The rules are clear. In every action, success or failure is immediately perceived. Sports and the arts are therefore classic flow-activities.

  1. A high level of concentration on a limited field

This allows a person's consciousness to delve deeply into the activity. In contrast, there are often chaotic and contradictory demands in daily life which may cause confusion and dissatisfaction.

  1. Balance between skills and challenge

The difficulty of a task has to provide the right degree of challenge to a person’s ability. A too difficult piece of music will leave a musician frustrated and disappointed, a too easy one leads to boredom and routine. So flow occurs in range between ‘too much’ and ‘too little’.

https://www.flowskills.com/tl_files/bilder/flow/die%208%20elemente%20des%20flow/Graph_e-3.png

  1. The feeling of control

Characteristic for flow is the feeling of heightened control over one’s actions. The expression ‘control’ is easily misunderstood. It can put many people off by its association with compulsive domination or nervous attention. Control in flow has none of these qualities. It is a state of security and relaxation with the complete absence of worry: the paradox known in Zen Buddhism as ‘control without controlling’.

  1. Effortlessness

Flow involves flexibility and ease; everything works harmoniously and effortlessly. A tennis match or a solo performance on stage may look strenuous from the outside; yet, if in fact the player is in flow, he or she does not experience any particular strain. The activity runs smoothly, guided by an inner logic. All necessary decisions arise spontaneously from the demands of the activity without any deliberate reflection.

  1. An altered perception of time

In a deep flow-state, one’s normal perception of time is on hold. Time can either feel condensed - two hours feel like ten minutes, or expanded - seconds feel like minutes. That is why the flow-mode is called ‘timeless’.

  1. The melting together of action and consciousness

Complete involvement creates a state in which there is no room for worry, fear, distraction or self-conscious rumination. Performers do not feel separated from their actions; they are one with their performance. This feeling of unity can expand to a person’s surroundings (nature) as well as to a whole group of people working together (team flow).

  1. The autotelic quality of flow-experiences: IROI (Immediate Return on Investment)

From Greek autos – self and telos – goal. Not only achieving the goal of an activity is rewarding but the activity in itself is fulfilling. Flow is therefore “Immediate Return on Investment”.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Important to distinguish the old forms of war and modern soulless bureaucratic "war". People who fight to defend their land and their race from annihilation and succeed are probably happy, but US marines probably are pretty depressed. The existence of modern western soldiers isn't of struggle but of monotony.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you

I would be interested to see what the mental illness rate of 'meaningful' occupations vs purely economical ones are.

I'd bet police officers, firefighters and others with physically demanding work that has a kind of higher purpose and psuedo-combat attached to it follows the same kind of line as warriors.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hitler came at a time when all politics was promising relief, comfort, eternal pleasure, prosperity and peace; the Hitler myth was the exact opposite, his book was called My Struggle and all of his philosophy and rhetoric placed struggle as the highest good. The end result of this was Hitler becoming the most popular man in the world, ever.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you

Bane used to be seen as a leftist when Dark Knight Rises came out in 2012. In retrospect, I see that he was a fully redpilled badass

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Counter-Currents along with some fine articles by yourself has some good analysis of Dark Knight Rises from that perspective.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The Poz Button episode on the whole trilogy is good

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Poz Button

https://pozbutton.libsyn.com/dark-knight-trilogy

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Good bot!

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you

There's a lot of quotable lines in that film but that's my favourite.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Peace is for women and the weak. War is the natural state of man.

That would imply we're anarchists. If we imprison people who go on shooting sprees or rape, why one earth would we be happy when another nation does it wholesale? In fact, war itself reflects a more animalistic temptations. Animals fight and kill each other because they have no tribunal system. They can't barter or negotiate their way into achieving something. Human beings are suppose to be above that thinking.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't particularly buy this but in this vein the movie "They Shall Not Grow Old" is quite interesting. It has quite a few interviews with WWI vets and while there is certainly a sadness in what occurred for the men the film examines, there is a surprising amount of pride and positive memories that come to the surface as well. They certainly came across as much less bitter and cynical than popular media, art, and grade school history would lead you to believe.

It's also an interesting peak into the totally different level of social organization of white (English) societies a hundred years ago. Just the few videos and montages of training and recruitment show a world that appears totally alien to modern eyes - large happy communities with pride and dignity, a sense of obligation to your village and people, and a stable social order.