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[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I highly doubt anyone had the foresight to predict which direction Palestine was going to fall under using just Jewish immigration.

Zionists had been around for a long time trying to establish a Jewish state in Israel by any means necessary. No they couldnt have known exactly how things would play out, but they had been plotting for quite some time. They finally got what they wanted thanks to the Nazis and ww2. There is some speculation that the Jewish elite intentionally antagonized the Nazis by urging all out war on Germany when Germany was trying to avoid war with Britain, to include carpet and fire bombing German cities at a time Germans had large numbers of Jews under their control. There was even a famous book that came out prior to the start of ww2 that urged the mandatory sterilization of all Germans, written by a Jew of course. The book was predictably seized upon by Nazi propagandists. I honestly dont know whether this was all done intentionally in order to provoke a genocide, but when it happened it was then used as a pretext for the establishment of Israel. Given how ruthless and scheming a lot of the Jewish elite have been it wouldnt surprise me if some of them did see sacrificing many Jews in occupied countries as a worthwhile sacrifice in order to advance Jewish interests, mobilize against the Nazis, establish a Jewish state and suppress European nationalism. Regardless of whether this was all their intention or they simply took advantage of it after the fact I dont know. Norm Finkelstein has written about how this elite have created this holocaust industry to do exactly that.

As an example, I don't believe wars are something where 99% of the nation came to an absolute agreement and wanted to invade or bomb their neighbor. It's more like the President, or the Military Generals, basically anyone who commands authority at the highest level of society, will beat the war drum and convince other people to follow along.

You're making my argument for me. This conspiracy to make whites minorities in all their home countries doesnt take a lot of people. It just takes some very wealthy ones to make it happen. It doesnt require ANY complicity from POC or immigrants and doesnt even require a majority of Jews be aware of or supportive of it. Just look at the damage one man, George Soros has been able to do with billions of dollars. Now multiply that by about a dozen or so Jewish billionaires and some powerful and influential people aided by fanatical, vengeful and paranoid members of a Jewish ethnostate. All of them operating on the belief that inside every white christian is a Nazi waiting to get out and that Jews will never be safe so long as whites make up the population of technologically advanced nations with the capacity to wage modern warfare. Some of them may simply see whites as rivals as much as threats. Competition that if eliminated will result in more power for them and their coethnics.

You can call it crazy but I have even come across Jews online that have openly admitted they believe this is happening, albeit many of them believe it to be a good thing and see it as justified. Not all of them are for it though, there are Jews like framegame that oppose it because they understand how destructive and insane the whole thing is. There are likely Jews that pretty much know whats going on and support it because they figure the whole thing has already past the point of no return and enough whites are aware and have spoken out that if it doesnt succeed Jews are in deep shit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Zionists had been around for a long time trying to establish a Jewish state in Israel by any means necessary. No they couldnt have known exactly how things would play out, but they had been plotting for quite some time. They finally got what they wanted thanks to the Nazis and ww2. There is some speculation that the Jewish elite intentionally antagonized the Nazis by urging all out war on Germany when Germany was trying to avoid war with Britain, to include carpet and fire bombing German cities at a time Germans had large numbers of Jews under their control. There was even a famous book that came out prior to the start of ww2 that urged the mandatory sterilization of all Germans, written by a Jew of course. The book was predictably seized upon by Nazi propagandists. I honestly dont know whether this was all done intentionally in order to provoke a genocide, but when it happened it was then used as a pretext for the establishment of Israel. Given how ruthless and scheming a lot of the Jewish elite have been it wouldnt surprise me if some of them did see sacrificing many Jews in occupied countries as a worthwhile sacrifice in order to advance Jewish interests, mobilize against the Nazis, establish a Jewish state and suppress European nationalism. Regardless of whether this was all their intention or they simply took advantage of it after the fact I dont know. Norm Finkelstein has written about how this elite have created this holocaust industry to do exactly that.

I forgot about the actual Zionist movement. But see, there where many differences of when Jews had an organization/movement that wanted their own nation state at all costs, vs immigrants from all over the world moving to White countries and becoming part of their culture. I did more research and even remembered that Zionist factions had their own paramilitary forces who basically tried to create a Jewish state in Palestine by force. Immigrants don't come to America, and immediately support a gang that bombs White Americans or the government, in some sort of coordinated effort to make America into a borderless nation. Ironically, look at Trump's support and there are clearly non-whites who even supported the border wall or require a nationality test to become a citizen. It even becomes more increasingly difficult to prove a conspiracy of immigrants somehow replacing white people, when immigrants in general are decentralized from one another. The Zionist movement had leaders like Theodor Herzl or Ben Gurion who acted as the visionaries for what they saw was an inevitable Jewish homeland. In 2020, both Democrats and Republicans fielded multiple politicians but it's not like competition did not exist on each side. But none of them ever gave an explicit platform that said "vote for me and I will seize every White person's land and give it to the next refugee/immigrant". The closest candidate to that, Bernie Sanders, failed two times to even get a socialist elected. Biden himself is even Centre/Centre-right.

You're making my argument for me. This conspiracy to make whites minorities in all their home countries doesnt take a lot of people. It just takes some very wealthy ones to make it happen. It doesnt require ANY complicity from POC or immigrants and doesnt even require a majority of Jews be aware of or supportive of it. Just look at the damage one man, George Soros has been able to do with billions of dollars. Now multiply that by about a dozen or so Jewish billionaires and some powerful and influential people aided by fanatical, vengeful and paranoid members of a Jewish ethnostate. All of them operating on the belief that inside every white christian is a Nazi waiting to get out and that Jews will never be safe so long as whites make up the population of technologically advanced nations with the capacity to wage modern warfare. Some of them may simply see whites as rivals as much as threats. Competition that if eliminated will result in more power for them and their coethnics. You can call it crazy but I have even come across Jews online that have openly admitted they believe this is happening, albeit many of them believe it to be a good thing and see it as justified. Not all of them are for it though, there are Jews like framegame that oppose it because they understand how destructive and insane the whole thing is. There are likely Jews that pretty much know whats going on and support it because they figure the whole thing has already past the point of no return and enough whites are aware and have spoken out that if it doesnt succeed Jews are in deep shit.

How are these elite Jews in anyway connected to each other? I do not disagree that crazy or radical elites exist, but why should we care about them when they're not the ones with any real power to enact laws or persuade people? George Soros could tell Biden to eliminate all borders and put white people in camps, but then Biden can just as equally tell him to piss off and leave his country alone. The President has more power just based off the fact he is the Commander In Chief of his own country and the military answers to him alone. Once again, for this conspiracy to work, you have to turn the country against itself. All the immigrants would need to support someone other than the President who would actually push forth an agenda to get rid of white people or strip their rights. But immigrants in general are not centralized like the Zionist movement was. Nor do they have an Irgun or Lehi that commit terrorist acts meant to collapse the country.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How are these elite Jews in anyway connected to each other?

They are connected by Judaism. There are countless Jewish/zionist organizations and loose connections affiliations, family ties, religious ties, ethnic ties. They dont even need to directly coordinate with each other so much as possess a likeminded view on certain issues. Soros's son for instance is heavily involved in Jewish organizations, Zionist organizations, Holocaust survivor family organizations(since Soros hid from the Nazis for a while he is considered a "survivor").

I think there is simply no longer any point in discussing or debating these issues with you. You appear to be hopelessly ignorant about any of the topics we discuss. I dont know what to say. I feel like I have to explain everything to you in detail every post. You are either literally just playing stupid continually or just arent well read or informed enough about anything to really have these discussions. I wish you the best of luck. Thus concludes our discussion. Good bye.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some Jews are atheist. Some are reform. Others are Orthodox. It's not really a great argument for why they have to be connected to a conspiracy or in anyway believe in it. If David Duke claims to be a Christian but then says he wants a White ethnostate, it does not act as evidence that every White Christian must also believe or push for the same thing. He is considered fringe for a reason. Those drawn to his ideology will support him, but his skin color doesn't translate to his beliefs being more widespread than they already are.

Perhaps if David Duke or George Soros were leaders of their own church, with millions of followers, you might be able to say for a fact the two conspiracies are related.

They dont even need to directly coordinate with each other so much as possess a likeminded view on certain issues.

Well that sounds all fine and all, but what do you do when two Jews are directly opposed to each other? Such was the case of Capitalism vs Communism? Millions have died in an effort to spread both ideologies.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)