If Jews can brainwash entire races to modify their behavior...

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They haven't totally brainwashed an entire generation. There would be no alt right. There wouldn't even be a Trump if whites were so easily molded. That's why they've had to import lower IQ races that will eat up their subversions more intuitively. This is a lot more about anglo race traitors that decided instead of being a euro melting pot the US was going to be an international melting pot. Our trusted white elites, white religious leaders, white entertainers and even white academics have sold us out. Some were tricked but most were bought or black mailed. I will also echo what user antireddit has said. Part of the reason whites go along with so much of this subversion is due to lack of information and fear. There's a blanket control of information by Jews. There's a serious manipulation of the legal system by jews.

You need to make up your mind. Have Jews brainwashed anyone or have they not? Your post implies they already control immigration (i.e import low IQ races) and they already control the Elites. So that means the country was brainwashed, rather than the idea that White people just didn't know any better.

Lastly the alt right never denied 'environment' as a factor on genes. It just takes a long time for environment to affect genes. We only talk about genetics in primacy because we are pushing back against the absurd blank slate/egalitarian fallacy the was foisted upon the american public from the 60's up until the 2000's. Jews know genetics dominate which is why they try to get into positions where they can keep their dysgenics up for multiple generations (and keep their own warp 'eugenics' in place). Whites have been under direct Jewish subversion through usury for at least 10 generations before Jews finally were able to import masses of shit skins into white countries; it's a slow play. Jews show they agree with genetics when they encourage whites to breed with non white races thus producing non white offspring.

What makes you think environment always takes a long time to impact genes? The Flynn effect is a real example that environment/social conditioning only had to change in the last 100 years. We've also seen how malnutrition can directly affect human groups in the same generation. North Koreans are clearly shorter than their South Korean counterparts.

But my argument was that if Jews have all the power to mold society as they see fit, then this technology should equally be used to eliminate poverty, because human behavior can be easily manipulated into doing things they're not hardcoded to do.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You need to make up your mind. Have Jews brainwashed anyone or have they not? Your post implies they already control immigration (i.e import low IQ races)

They don't control immigration because they've brainwashed a bunch of white people. In fact they don't out right control US immigration policy. Non whites flooding into the US is a complicated topic with a lot of moving pieces. Stop trying to oversimplify everything.

Have Jews brainwashed anyone or have they not?

Yes they have. However, you assume 'brainwashing' is something for low IQ people. In fact subversion/brainwashing is something that's easier to do on high IQ people. Brainwashing is not really the best term to use here as it covers up and obscures complicated psychological mechanisms such as trauma based mind control, Neuro Linguistic processing, dynamic silence, manufacturing consent, ACE score manipulation, love bombing (and other cult practices), dopamine addiction, chemical dependence, soma schemes, etc. Lower IQ people for the most part do not need to be brainwashed. They just adhere to power structures and that's it.

I feel like you either don't understand what JQ is or you're purposefully misinterpreting it. Either way you need to read Dr. Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique to more fully understand Jewish ethnocentrism and their survival strategies.

and they already control the Elites

They didn't do that by environment manipulation. That's just old school infiltration, bribery, and blackmail. Jews themselves have been inside elite circles for thousands of years so this is a very complicated topic.

What makes you think environment always takes a long time to impact genes?

Natural environmental factors take a long time to impact genes. Human induced factors (such as dog breeding) can quicken the process.

The Flynn effect is a real example that environment/social conditioning only had to change in the last 100 years.

I do not deny the Flynn effect but it hasn't magically turned black people anywhere close to whites. The Flynn effect also doesn't properly analyze that a lot of black people got smarter because it's estimated that around 900k blacks starved after the civil war because they couldn't feed themselves properly without a slave master. This sped up black IQ development in North American. The Flynn effect also doesn't take into account non IQ related traits like aggression, empathy, etc. Have you considered the ramifications of your own assertions. Do you really want every non white who gets imported into western countries to do through all the trials and tribulations that american blacks have to 'change' them to be that much marginally more intelligent? Do you want to starve 30% of all black people in the world to make them more compatible with western society? The current state of Americans blacks show them to be un prepared for modern living even after such modifications. Your points are specious.

We've also seen how malnutrition can directly affect human groups in the same generation

Again. The alt right doesn't deny environment play a role. I said that in my previous post. Not sure why you keep hitting on it.

But my argument was that if Jews have all the power to mold society as they see fit, then this technology should equally be used to eliminate poverty, because human behavior can be easily manipulated into doing things they're not hardcoded to do

Jews don't want to use their current power to eliminate poverty though. They want to use it to create a international caste system with themselves as the ruling class and all other groups mixed together living as permanent slaves that serve Jews. I guess in a way this would eliminate poverty because most slave masters keep their slaves fed but that's besides the point. Jews would be achieving the eradication of starvation by replacing starvation with another grave immorality.

because human behavior can be easily manipulated into doing things they're not hardcoded to do.

Nobody on this sub will deny that humans can be manipulated. It's an evolved trait to be able to manipulate another human and to allow yourself to be controlled. The same path that allows for manipulation also allows for people to follow orders and to trust each-other. There was a joke in Germany that you could govern entire regions in the country with a pen and a letterhead. That's not because the German people were dumb. It's because they were low aggression, intelligent, collaborative and trusting. Those trait clusters are only dangerous when the person with the letter head wants to kill Germans and enslave them.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They don't control immigration because they've brainwashed a bunch of white people. In fact they don't out right control US immigration policy. Non whites flooding into the US is a complicated topic with a lot of moving pieces. Stop trying to oversimplify everything. Yes they have. However, you assume 'brainwashing' is something for low IQ people. In fact subversion/brainwashing is something that's easier to do on high IQ people. Brainwashing is not really the best term to use here as it covers up and obscures complicated psychological mechanisms such as trauma based mind control, Neuro Linguistic processing, dynamic silence, manufacturing consent, ACE score manipulation, love bombing (and other cult practices), dopamine addiction, chemical dependence, soma schemes, etc. Lower IQ people for the most part do not need to be brainwashed. They just adhere to power structures and that's it. I feel like you either don't understand what JQ is or you're purposefully misinterpreting it. Either way you need to read Dr. Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique to more fully understand Jewish ethnocentrism and their survival strategies.

If there's a grand Jewish agenda, and everything from immigration to the Elites heavily leans in their favor, then I'm forced to believe they are successful or that they brainwashed people. If they haven't, why the focus on one group of people and not the Mormons? Or the Italians? There's clearly something about them you believe they're getting away with that no one else appears to enjoy the same status. That's why I'm confused how come there is no straight answer. If they've been successful all this time, then White people did get brainwashed and not much was done to actually stop them....

I do not deny the Flynn effect but it hasn't magically turned black people anywhere close to whites. The Flynn effect also doesn't properly analyze that a lot of black people got smarter because it's estimated that around 900k blacks starved after the civil war because they couldn't feed themselves properly without a slave master. This sped up black IQ development in North American. The Flynn effect also doesn't take into account non IQ related traits like aggression, empathy, etc. Have you considered the ramifications of your own assertions. Do you really want every non white who gets imported into western countries to do through all the trials and tribulations that american blacks have to 'change' them to be that much marginally more intelligent? Do you want to starve 30% of all black people in the world to make them more compatible with western society? The current state of Americans blacks show them to be un prepared for modern living even after such modifications. Your points are specious.

It's more like I want to modify their behavior and social standing, by bombarding them with lots of cultural propaganda that can make them more Western. Whether this comes from changing their diets, keeping them in schools longer, or forcing them to listen to Beethoven instead of rap music. If the Jews can succeed in making people vote for policies that are detrimental, then why not make Black Americans vote for policies meant to enrich them?

Jews don't want to use their current power to eliminate poverty though. They want to use it to create a international caste system with themselves as the ruling class and all other groups mixed together living as permanent slaves that serve Jews. I guess in a way this would eliminate poverty because most slave masters keep their slaves fed but that's besides the point. Jews would be achieving the eradication of starvation by replacing starvation with another grave immorality.

Then the solution is to take this power away from Jews and give it to another group who will be much more benevolent with it. That's what I'm saying. A complete reversal of global slavery, but instead, uplifting human beings globally.

Nobody on this sub will deny that humans can be manipulated. It's an evolved trait to be able to manipulate another human and to allow yourself to be controlled. The same path that allows for manipulation also allows for people to follow orders and to trust each-other. There was a joke in Germany that you could govern entire regions in the country with a pen and a letterhead. That's not because the German people were dumb. It's because they were low aggression, intelligent, collaborative and trusting. Those trait clusters are only dangerous when the person with the letter head wants to kill Germans and enslave them.

I would argue these traits already exist in just every human population. What is missing are the cultural differences that greatly come into play. If an American used the pen and letterhead analogy on Japan, the Japanese people wont respond well. But if the Japanese Prime Minister wrote a letter that appealed to Japanese sensitives, then they will trust him and do what he said. So there's genes responsible for this, but in every group this varies a lot. Even in Black Africa, there are countries that have lower homicide rate than some European or South American ones. Yet genetically speaking, Black Africans still have more in common with their own continent...

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If there's a grand Jewish agenda, and everything from immigration to the Elites heavily leans in their favor, then I'm forced to believe they are successful or that they brainwashed people. If they haven't, why the focus on one group of people and not the Mormons? Or the Italians? There's clearly something about them you believe they're getting away with that no one else appears to enjoy the same status. That's why I'm confused how come there is no straight answer. If they've been successful all this time, then White people did get brainwashed and not much was done to actually stop them....

What is with your rigid all or nothing views? These things are not mutually exclusive. People can be "brainwashed" or at least heavily influenced by propaganda and a punishment/reward system without being total zombie slaves. Jews are not some super villains and the number of them that are actively involved in a lot of this stuff is probably a minority of them. Quit over simplifying the issue.

Then the solution is to take this power away from Jews and give it to another group who will be much more benevolent with it. That's what I'm saying. A complete reversal of global slavery, but instead, uplifting human beings globally.

The solution is to break the taboo that Jews cannot be criticized. Whites are collectively criticized by Jewish dominated institutions, individuals and organizations continuously, often under the intentionally subversive guise of self criticism by "fellow whites". Jews should face the same scrutiny and criticism. They will never willingly allow this so its up to the rest of us to actively make it happen, to have each others back and unite against their increasingly unchecked, unaccountable power without scrutiny before it becomes absolute. No group should have this power, least of all a tiny minority group that has their own interests at heart but demands that no one ever question their motives and actions. Sorry, they have never earned that trust and the events of the last few decades shows the rest of us have lots of reason to be wary of their intentions.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What is with your rigid all or nothing views? These things are not mutually exclusive. People can be "brainwashed" or at least heavily influenced by propaganda and a punishment/reward system without being total zombie slaves. Jews are not some super villains and the number of them that are actively involved in a lot of this stuff is probably a minority of them. Quit over simplifying the issue.

Considering the level of scale involved (again, entire medias and government institutions are compromised), I'm not a fan of leaving these topics to doubt. Because it tells me, it's not really the Jews who are responsible or have some special hand in this, anymore than Mormons or Italians. Like that's the point. Why should I care if they don't control society for a fact? Especially since I still continue to live my life normally and no Jewish mafia has approached me yet saying "Shhhhh, cut it out. You're messing with our agenda!".

The solution is to break the taboo that Jews cannot be criticized. Whites are collectively criticized by Jewish dominated institutions, individuals and organizations continuously, often under the intentionally subversive guise of self criticism by "fellow whites". Jews should face the same scrutiny and criticism. They will never willingly allow this so its up to the rest of us to actively make it happen, to have each others back and unite against their increasingly unchecked, unaccountable power without scrutiny before it becomes absolute. No group should have this power, least of all a tiny minority group that has their own interests at heart but demands that no one ever question their motives and actions. Sorry, they have never earned that trust and the events of the last few decades shows the rest of us have lots of reason to be wary of their intentions.

I never understood this. Jews are criticized all the time. Just look at the protests we see every year against Israel's occupation of Palestine? Or the challenges made against the ritual of circumcision? Your latter part of the post, what difference is there between Jews having a lot of power, vs if the Mormons or Italians did it? As long as nothing illegal is involved, it comes across as paranoia. If Jews do something illegal, then clearly they can be held accountable. Harvey Weinstein is in jail right now despite his involvement in the film industry. If there are Jews who have circumvented justice, we could apply it to other races as well. George Bush Jr never got arrested for his crime of invading Iraq in 2003. Should we start denying Whites from ever holding office again? No, we need to follow rationale.

[–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Considering the level of scale involved (again, entire medias and government institutions are compromised), I'm not a fan of leaving these topics to doubt.

What is it you are doubting exactly? That Jews coordinate to advance their interests? The thousand lobbying organizations they have should leave your doubt to rest. Including the most powerful lobbying organizations in the west by any measure.

Especially since I still continue to live my life normally and no Jewish mafia has approached me yet saying "Shhhhh, cut it out. You're messing with our agenda!".

You act like they dont do that to people who question or criticize their power or apply the same discussions of over representation by whites to Jews specifically. I used to laugh when Jews on reddit would say if we're so powerful, why are you allowed to criticize us here? Right before a sub was banned or a post deleted criticizing them to a fraction of the degree whites or other groups are.

I never understood this. Jews are criticized all the time.

Really? What networks or mainstream websites do that? Virtually all of them criticize whites continually, I'm not seeing this criticism of Jews you claim to see.

Your latter part of the post, what difference is there between Jews having a lot of power, vs if the Mormons or Italians did it?

What part of NO group should have that much power did you not understand? Those groups arent anywhere near as over represented in positions of power that Jews are, so quit playing stupid. You made me waste time making a point you are already well aware of.

George Bush Jr never got arrested for his crime of invading Iraq in 2003. Should we start denying Whites from ever holding office again? No, we need to follow rationale.

By all means criticize him, arrest him. I fully support it. Go ahead and criticize whites for supporting the Iraq war too, I'm all for it. If you want to deny whites that supported the war higher office on the basis of that support, I'd say thats a legitimate discussion given the damage it caused. Not the best example to use when trying to say criticism of Jews is unfair seeing as who made up the think tanks, government officials and media that were most aggressively pushing for that war, and who benefitted the most from it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is it you are doubting exactly? That Jews coordinate to advance their interests? The thousand lobbying organizations they have should leave your doubt to rest. Including the most powerful lobbying organizations in the west by any measure.

I believe there is Jewish interest, but in no way is it completely coordinated to bring down the U.S or harm its citizens. Jewish lobby groups exist. Yes. But so does the Arab/Oil lobby. Or even the Farmer's lobby groups. There's an argument to be made about removing money from politics. I agree with that. But the fear of Jewish groups pushing their agenda remains quite unfounded. Or rather, the Alt-right are going after the wrong topics. Jonathan Pollard, an Israeli spy, has had Jewish groups try and support his release from prison. Do I support this? Lol no. He clearly committed a crime and put the nation at risk. But do I believe he stole U.S secrets in some kind of statement to bring down White people and make them suffer? No. What reason do I have to? For all we know, Pollard could have been some extreme Pro-White Nationalist and was friends with White people. Without some sort of damning evidence, I'm not going to believe every foreign spy is immediately anti-white. China does spying. So does Canada. But espionage has little to do with race...

You act like they dont do that to people who question or criticize their power or apply the same discussions of over representation by whites to Jews specifically. I used to laugh when Jews on reddit would say if we're so powerful, why are you allowed to criticize us here? Right before a sub was banned or a post deleted criticizing them to a fraction of the degree whites or other groups are.

Where is the Jewish Mafia shutting down B'tselem? Hell, that's an organization within Israel who literally film human rights violations in the occupied territory. It's highly possible that censorship comes across as selective and inconsistent, rather than the idea we all can't criticize Jews without mysteriously falling down stairs one day. There's also better ways of testing out criticism than on an internet message board. After all, those are privately owned websites that can remove content for any reason. If you live in the United States or any country with freedom of speech, hold an anti-Israel protest in public. The government should not be allowed to arrest you as long you as remain peaceful.

What part of NO group should have that much power did you not understand? Those groups arent anywhere near as over represented in positions of power that Jews are, so quit playing stupid. You made me waste time making a point you are already well aware of.

As long as there's no illegal activity involved, you're saying you're opposed to meritocracy? The same arguments Leftists make when they say governments are racist for not featuring "x" amount of minorities?

By all means criticize him, arrest him. I fully support it. Go ahead and criticize whites for supporting the Iraq war too, I'm all for it. If you want to deny whites that supported the war higher office on the basis of that support, I'd say thats a legitimate discussion given the damage it caused. Not the best example to use when trying to say criticism of Jews is unfair seeing as who made up the think tanks, government officials and media that were most aggressively pushing for that war, and who benefitted the most from it.

I don't think criticism of Jews is unfair. If you're a person like me and believe in science, you should have already accepted to ignore mainstream beliefs. Just be aware of how you pick your battles, and any consequences they may bring. In the past, it was teaching evolution in schools that caused a hysteria. Today, the media now mocks those who deny the theory or believe in talking animals. I'm in the same position. I'll criticize Jews or any other group if I can make a good argument for why it matters.