Small white pill: 29% of Americans support the US breaking up into five smaller countries

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from (self.debatealtright)

https://www.unz.com/anepigone/end-the-hate-separate-2/

It's heartening to see secessionism gaining mainstream approval. In a democratic country like the US, people are too befuddled to bridge the phony left-right divide. Secession is the one thing that can truly gut the empire.

The breakup of America is the single best thing that could happen. The vast US military which enforces globohomo would collapse and shrivel up like the Russian military did after the USSR fell.

Along with it, the American intelligence-economic networks that push Jewish agendas and degeneracy on the world will also fall apart. The separatist countries would be weaker and more inward-looking.

Particularly interesting the Republican support for secession in the South, 50%! All we need is a botched war with Iran, an economic disaster due to the Joefather's war on fracking, and a Kamala Harris presidency. Secession desires will climb up to 50% or more

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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is good thing but not the cure that people think it is. The world is far too connected now, at the end of the day the independent nation is still dominated by the same mass media, entertainment industry, and culture of the original America. Modern Right, especially American Right, is an extremely weak cultural force that cannot challenge the Left's cultural hegemony. Unlike you can do that you can't truly "win".

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Modern Right, especially American Right, is an extremely weak cultural force that cannot challenge the Left's cultural hegemony. Unlike you can do that you can't truly "win".

This is certainly true in America, but I think Trump actually unleashed a right-wing force that was beating the left in the culture war. Just look at how much the media - and even the electoral process - has been undermined by him. It really is the only good thing he has done, and the elites will never forgive him for that.

As far as Europe is concerned, we always had a strong right-wing cultural force. On issues like immigration the left pretty much lost.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trump did not unleash the type of cultural force I am referring to. The culture of Trumpism is the same type of culture American Conservatism has had only it is more passionate due to the hyper politicization of American society. What I am speaking of is what Neo Reactionaries would call "The Cathedral". Until the Right can produce a cultural force that can take over the arts, science, and academia then it cannot defeat the Left.

[–]Questionablethe Dumpster Arsonist · 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

A lot of these states would need to be cut in half, as many don't wish to be lumped in with their liberal cities.

[–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Issue with that is the economic and institutional weight these cities hold.Breakup of the US would have to be gradual.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just do what Malaysia did to Singapore in the 50s.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What did Malaysia do?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Basically the racial tensions between the Chinese dominated Singapore with egalitarian laws, and the Malay ethnonationalist policies in the rest of Malaysia, led to the expulsion of Singapore from Malaysia pretty quickly after they first tried unifying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAP%E2%80%93UMNO_relations#Conflict_between_the_parties

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very interesting. Any usable lessons for ethnonationalist separation in the West?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly it's not very applicable in the US at least since ethnonationalist control of any institutions beyond small localities is impossible. Not so sure about Europe, I know Estonia has an ethnonationalist party in charge.

For the Americans they should instead learn from the way indigenous communities in Mexico have taken up arms and secured their towns from cartels and feds alike. Vice has done a number of videos on the conflict in Mexico featuring them lately.

Using geographic checkpoints to enforce local sovereignty and make it extremely painful to enforce control should be the goal. Will the army be able to force control of belligerent localities? Sure, but the harsher the methods the more will sympathize with anyone fighting back. As the US deteriorates it will be less able to maintain its army and its force projection will no longer even extend across its own country.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't like the way the nation was split. The Pacific Northwest needs to be united and not connected with the South East. Oregon and Washington are too beautiful to allow them to be given over to the Left. Those 2 states have the most insane leftist trash in America but they can be purged.

[–]Ethnosomniator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most lefties don't know better. If the correct message rings loud it will ring true. There is little need to purge if the majority can be persuaded, and they can, even though it's not easy. Most weak people ie 90% of women and many leftists and simply confused. A good Weltanschaung that does everything in one swoop, clearing up all dissonance and brings results (well, after a crash, that is) has a powerful draw.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Southern American Union politely requests the removal of Texas and the admission of West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Referendum on separatism should be codified once you hit certain population benchmarks.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That never ends well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

In fact, separatism only made the native group (Palestinians) lose more territory than what they had started with.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't recall the Palestinians voting for separatism. From your link it seems like that was done externally (UN and others), so not exactly a proper comparison to what I'm suggesting.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Actually, the real history of Palestine is that the Jews (who started immigrating there in the 1900s) had been in favor of dividing up the land but the Palestinians saw it as a threat and rejected it. As this type of friction lead to lots of rioting and violence within the mandate, the British eventually wanted nothing to do with the mandate anymore and handed it off to the UN, where the world then voted on officially splitting the territory.

Regardless, the results would have been the same. Even if the Palestinians voted in favor of their own separation, they still wanted to keep all major territory. The other group who lived there disagreed, and the result is the modern day Palestine conflict we all know.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Actually, the real history of Palestine...

How I see you writing this

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No lies detected. :P

[–]Ethnosomniator 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's clear out the basic stuff first:

It's obviously a huge, convoluted and complex topic. Of course, no politician ever would under any circumstances get behind such an endeavour. We are talking fundamental resistance on a systemical level. There must be an extraordinary situation for that to change, such as

1)clear ethnic division; The most interesting point because most guys here understand that to be the case. However, without the right media, academia, education and culture, normies don't see this for what it is - a racial struggle on more than one level of seperation - and are, instead, confused and led away towards kosher thought bubbles. Like...

2)clear religious division; which will be miscommunicated again. True, 'Leftism' is a form of extreme quasi religious ideology but so is rightwingerism. Christianity is reliably quasi religious (which is part of its modern success). Practically speaking, any division alongside these left/ right(christian) criteria would end in spectacular fumbling and bumbling. One could argue for this to be the best case divorce scenario. But for us, the racial division remains obscured and buried.

3)palpable catastrophe; an extraordinary chain of events resulting in a lot of hungry, jobless and angry people. The SU experienced this and so a Gorbachev figure could rise. However, the struggling socialist/communist economy could be enticed to try out something new. A new loser state will be hard pressed to try out even more capitalism when most people will dimly realise that this was the culprit to begin with- selling people out, squeezing the commons dry and making the races fight among each other to get away with it.

The question is how those factors will combine and how they will be communicated. People might simply end up in a collapsed economy while shills blame it on "communism" and China - while their elites are packing bags, clearing accounts and leaving for Beijing with their slaves. I hope we would be able to make our message heard through the terrible noise of a downfall.

Let me also say something about the peculiar cuts: the Northeast is nice and White, but the NY & Washington cancer will make it impossible for it to remain nice. The south is demographically utterly screwed. The Pacific is, as we know, home of the majority of woke ideologues who think they can really make it if they seperate from the racists while the nice "Mountain" region is landlocked, has the 2nd highest amount of "rightwingers" and lots of space.

Ideally, our guys would surgically dettach and snatch up some kewy regions. The Northeast would be in dire need to clear up the metropoles. Even being a "poor" White, rural state would be better than to be ruled from the Washington DC & NY. The Mountain guys should hopefully take over the Seattle region, or Oregon to divide their mad neighbour and enjoy access to the sea. The south guys should move.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If the country breaks up, immediately expect Russia, China and the EU to stake their claim on the continent. Whether through direct military intervention or by supporting local militia groups who are friendly to them. It's the perfect recipe for a North America Syria Conflict, but with the added bonus of nuclear weapons.

The vast US military which enforces globohomo would collapse and shrivel up like the Russian military did after the USSR fell.

The military equipment would still exist. And unlike the USSR collapse, we can't expect all the weapons to return to one country peacefully. Control over the tanks, fighter jets, maybe even the classified secret shit at Area 51, is going to end in jealousy and bloodshed.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

or by supporting local militia groups who are friendly to them. It's the perfect recipe for a North America Syria Conflict, but with the added bonus of nuclear weapons.

Most fun scenario