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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

  1. What's wrong with capitalism?

Julius Evola explained it very well:

Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the centre of which is constituted of technology, science, production, "productivity," and "consumption." And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence—then we are not even close to what is essential.

Not to mention the fact that it's predicated on the paradigm of infinite growth on a finite planet, which is impossible.

  1. Are any of you socially liberal/libertarian? I personally can't bring myself to care about stuff like homosexuality, gender roles, porn, abortion and so on. Curious if anyone here else is the same way.

Not caring about those issues isn't always a liberal position. I do personally care about gender roles and porn, but I don't care about homosexuality because it's natural. The best way to get rid of gays is to allow them to self-select out of the gene pool. That's a Darwinian position, not a liberal one. I'm also in favor of abortion for eugenic reasons, which isn't a liberal position either.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The main criticism is that capitalism leads to a materialistic society right? What higher value is fascism giving society?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

What higher value is fascism giving society?

Faith, family and nation.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I assume you mean fascism is simply better at encouraging these things at the cost of more authoritarianism, because you can have these under a capitalist system.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No capitalism always erodes all of those things and if they do exist side by side it's because capitalism has not yet destroyed them but is diligently working on it. There is nothing more revolutionary than capitalism and nothing that has less respect for tradition, borders, faith, race, nation, customs and genuine culture than capitalism. Even Communism STOPPED trying to destroy all of these things eventually while Western leftists found the perfect Devil's bargain which was Chicago School economics and Frankfurt School morals.

Capitalism and humanity are incompatible and anyone who hasn't realized that is a stupid fool who should go back to posting the Eyeferth study for the hundredth time.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can agree that capitalism is eroding these values although I think you're also exaggerating it. In any case I'll probably read more on the topic and how fascism works.

who should go back to posting the Eyeferth study for the hundredth time.

I found out the wikipedia article on that was wrong about the percentages so I have no reason to use it anymore.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7c5f/the_dissident_rightwn_obsesses_too_much_over/rp5a

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No capitalism always erodes all of those things and if they do exist side by side

I don't think so. Christianity, family unit, nationalism existed together with capitalism for centuries. In the US and rest of the West. The cultural changes we are seeing are quite recent and not related to free market.

What would be your preferred economic system anyway? Socialism? Do you think that has better record of preserving religion, family, nationalism than capitalism?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't think so. Christianity, family unit, nationalism existed together with capitalism for centuries. In the US and rest of the West. The cultural changes we are seeing are quite recent and not related to free market.

No they didn't lol it was a century at best but can you really say the 19th century was a time of muh Traditional Values(TM)? Liberalism and Capitalism were destroying everything sacred from their establishment, the only issue they had was their reach. As technology advanced the reach of liberalism did too with new forms of media, propaganda etc becoming available. The west was literally already dead by the time Edward Bernays and the New Left successfully evolved modern industrial capitalism into postmodern finance capitalism.

What would be your preferred economic system anyway? Socialism? Do you think that has better record of preserving religion, family, nationalism than capitalism?

It quite obviously does lol look at every ex-socialist/communist country compared to the liberal capitalist ones, they're all the countries that people say FUCKING BASED Hungary/Russia/Poland etc about. But no, we want National Syndicalism also known as fascism.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

America until WWII was strongly socially conservative country. The move into shitlibism we know today started only since the second half of the twentieth century. And even that is not fault of capitalism:

By 1968 Walter Kerr could write, “what has happened since World War II is that the American sensibility has become part Jewish, perhaps as much Jewish as it is anything else... The literate American mind has come in some measure to think Jewishly. It has been taught to, and it was ready to. After the entertainers and novelists came the Jewish critics, politicians, theologians. Critics and politicians and theologians are by profession molders; they form ways of seeing.”

The divide between Eastern and Western Europe is because they are some 40 years late on their shitlib indoctrination.But that has nothing to do with socialism itself. Soviet Union and US were not markedly different in their social values in 1930s for example.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is 100% the fault of capitalism, just because capitalism hadn't yet vanquished identity it doesn't mean it wasn't in the process of doing it. All liberal social policy is just a way of engineering society to funnel wealth. Liberalism's evolution is just the continued development of technology and techniques of capitalists.

Why would you be pro-capitalism anyway? Can you name a single capitalist who doesn't literally want your race dead? Maybe the owners of Redbull and that's it lmao, the rest of them want you deracinated at best but mostly just want you dead.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am pro-capitalist because countries with free market economies are richer with higher standards of living than those with planned economies. And yes, modern capitalists are anti-white but so are socialists, if not more so. This is just a reflection of our current cultural zeitgeist it's not something inherent to capitalism

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

these things at the cost of more authoritarianism

The cost? Liberalism is itself the most authoritarian system ever invented because in practice it has tied man to his basest instincts, tethered him to his nastier passions while also giving him the illusion that he has liberated himself. That is hell. The only solution to that is an illiberal response and the only people who use words like 'authoritarianism' are people who are under the illusion that they themselves are liberated and not actually being coerced.

All economies are planned and all societies are totalitarian in one way or another. The only difference is who's in charge and what their desires and motives are.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

at the cost of more authoritarianism,

Go away liberal.