A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored.

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Completely irrelevant. That's like saying without abandoning jazz, it's hard to fathom...

It's not irrelevant. Capitalism constantly demands growth. No growth =/= fall behind the competition. The USA's economic superiority thus requires they must always stay on top and immigration acts as that vehicle to not fall behind. Because countries like India or China have billions of people, Occam's razor says they were bound to make up the biggest new arrivals to the country. On the opposite spectrum, illegal immigration from South/Central America also gave the Elites a means of cheap labor. It thus becomes simple science why the U.S demographics have changed. Millions of people from all over the world are moving there, the demographics changed with them.

For some, but the issue is the media. The media drives elections and public attitudes. Jews and wealthy have always known this and hence sought to control the media and squash free speech.

The media is not free. Even Twitter still needs to make a source of money to survive. The 1% indeed control the media but you're not understanding that falls directly into the Capitalist system. They don't control for it for shits and giggles. They obviously want to influence politicians so their sources of infinite revenue are not threatened. Again, simple science. Not conspiracies.

No, the US could easily isolate and impose "must buy American" rules. What would we fucking do if China declared war on the US, buy all our computer chips and planes from China?

If you implement a "buy American" policy, it means another country can now take over the remaining sweatshops or the vast amounts of rare minerals that exist in China and sell them back on the market. You wont like this but doing trade with China was opening Pandora's box. There's no going back from the cheap labor or cheap goods unless you implement a global trade ban. And why would China go to war with the U.S? Both countries are nuclear armed, we will all die and the world comes to an end if conflict breaks out. But for the 1%, they're even more aware that war between the two nations would render them obsolete. They wont let it happen unless they have a death wish.

This is straight from your ass. You're either ignorant or bad faith. Toodles.

Despite being White Men, neither Bezos or Musk or Bill Gates are ever going to share their wealth with the Alt-Right. In fact, I can't think of a single ultra Billionaire who politically leans to the Far-Right. None of these rich people are going to throw away their wealth to satisify a 1% fringe ideology that would guillotine them the minute they stopped being rich. Don't get mad at me for saying this, I'm just speaking the truth. Capitalism as a system is clearly race blind. The pursuit of money is more powerful than listening to people speak of genetic purity. The 1% really aren't interested in chasing those ideals. They have everything they want, that the Alt-Right can't bargain with.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The USA's economic superiority thus requires they must always stay on top

That's not a logical statement. I don't care if we have to eat bugs if that's what it takes to not be genocided. You're using the same bullshit metric the elite use, i.e. the GDP is the only number that matters. I repeat, we could increase the GDP if we just replaced all Whites with Chinese, but that would be suicide.

You wont like this but doing trade with China was opening Pandora's box.

You're arguing with a straw man.

The media is not free.

You don't say.

I don't know who you think you're arguing with. Why don't you read more and type less.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That's not a logical statement. I don't care if we have to eat bugs if that's what it takes to not be genocided. You're using the same bullshit metric the elite use, i.e. the GDP is the only number that matters. I repeat, we could increase the GDP if we just replaced all Whites with Chinese, but that would be suicide.

You're not getting it. I am not the one who made this system. I'm explaining to you WHY the system behaves the way that it does. Do you believe in science? Because what I'm trying to tell you falls exactly on those lines.

Why is it hard to fathom America wont be all White in the future? Because Capitalism needs infinite growth to survive. Part of that infinite growth comes in the form of immigration, especially with the decline in birth rates, and White people not having enough babies to replace senior citizens.

I didn't write these rules. Just as how I didn't invent 1 + 1 = 2. But that's just the scientific conclusion of Capitalism. If you want to eat bugs or whatever, you can do that. But tell that to the Elites when it's money they care about, not genetic purity.

You're arguing with a straw man.

Read my above answer if you're not satisfied. It's ok if you and the Alt-Right don't believe in keeping America competitive (which is odd, given the Race & IQ discussion that downplayed other countries for being inferior), but the majority of Americans seem to value the system that gives them prosperity. Even going back to your "Buy American" example, you can do that right now. Nothing is stopping you from buying products made in the USA. But now convince the other million Americans to stop shopping at Walmart or Amazon. Hint: there will be massive unrest if that were to happen.

You don't say. I don't know who you think you're arguing with. Why don't you read more and type less.

Well I assumed you thought the media was free. The propaganda spewed by the media still requires a healthy source of sponsors to ensure the message gets spread across the internet. My conclusion was the propaganda is indeed part of the Capitalist process to influence voters and politicians to act a certain way. And when politics acts as a certain way, society follows with it. Think LGBT legalization. After it was legalized, companies can now start selling LGBT shirts. Even though the same sweatshops that make them probably don't care about gay people in the slightest, but they do look forward to the new revenue it now brings in.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I didn't write these rules.

These aren't rules. You're making assumptions about how things WILL be because those are the rules. But they're NOT the rules.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Which part is an assumption? I couldn't make it more clear why White Nationalism lost out against Diversity under the system of Capitalism. There's just a lot more money to be made selling to every race, as opposed to going back to the 1950s idea of segregation. And the decline in White birth rates only fueled this argument further. A shrinking population is literally watching your GDP contract. It's very hard to argue why anyone wants to have negative profits, while at the same time complaining you don't want to become third world or share their standards of living.

Now you made your arguments that you don't want to chase infinite GDP or you want to force people to buy American products only. I never once said you were wrong on this and it's perfectly valid to hold this belief. But just try and understand that many people who made their fortune under Capitalism, are not likely to be swayed into giving everything up to fulfill the niche idea that genetic purity is more important than ever growing profits. I can put this idea to the test right now. If Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk came out right now as hardcore White Supremacists, what do you think will happen to their businesses? Right away there will be boycotts and immediate calls for their resignation because the majority who buy their products are not interested in funding Nazism. And once shareholders notice a serious decline in profit, they will elect someone else who is clearly not White Nationalist. That's Capitalism. If there was another economic system in place that did reward skin color over pure profits, than the Alt-Right would find their answer/success. But history has also shown that the absolute alternatives to Capitalism always end in failure. That's the dilemma I just spelled out for you.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's very hard to argue why anyone wants to have negative profits, while at the same time complaining you don't want to become third world or share their standards of living.

If the country was nearly all White again the chances of us having Third World standards is zero. Are you stupid or disingenuous?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If the country was nearly all White again the chances of us having Third World standards is zero. Are you stupid or disingenuous?

West Virginia is 92% White, and it's the poorest state in the union... You could say you're fine with those standards, but also say good bye to having state of the art healthcare services, education, infrastructure etc.

Edit: And before you bring up more prosperous White states like Vermont, keep in mind that they lean politically left and support all the same policies that enable diversity to begin with. Hell, Bernie Sanders, the guy I talked about being a Jewish Socialist plant, found his greatest success there. For the alt-right, it sounds like a complete nightmare to transform the country where Whites only want to vote Far-leftist Jews into power...

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

West Virginia is 92% White, and it's the poorest state in the union

"poorest state in the union" IS NOT Third World standards. Just stop.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen people describe California as third world, despite the fact it has the 5th highest GDP on Earth. It all depends on what your definition is. If third world is used to represent an undesirable place to live, especially when other nations or territories continue to develop economically, then it's third world in my eyes.

Edit: I've also seen personal biases get applied when describing living conditions. For example, I faithfully brought up there are African countries that are doing better than some European ones (i.e Botswana vs Ukraine) but it gets dismissed because they're black. So honestly, the term itself is meaningless. Don't take it too seriously.