A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored.

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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race

The main reasons for elites forcing third-world immigration and miscegenation are these

  1. To keep wages low

  2. Prevent labor from organizing against elites by introducing cross-cutting racial frictions and ensuring high supply of labor (unions are dead)

  3. Prevent populist native uprisings ("sure the elites are bad and blacks are more criminal - but we can't be racist! Not all x are like that")

  4. (For Jews esp ) Revenge for the holocaust and to prevent a second Hitler

The pro-race mixing globohomo propaganda is designed to make whites like other races and not see them as the threat they are, and the anti-white propaganda is to browbeat the higher-T, more ethnocentric whites into submission. While lowering the average IQ is a side effect, IMO the more important goal is just to disrupt any ethnic homogeneity native whites have so they don't organize

This sort of makes your first two points moot but I'll respond as I see fit

Plenty of mixed race or non-white nations already exist.

Most of these are in latin america and they are pretty corrupt already. The entire point of Hart-Cellar was to turn the US into Brazil and they have largely achieved this

An elite group can move to these countries right now

The elite class is international and taking over the US (24% world GDP) and stabilizing it against populist revolt was an essential goal, especially while Europe is still vastly white.

Trying to create a subservient race without also banning Asian/White or Jewish/White marriage is highly flawed.

East Asians are like 5% of the US population and Jews are on the side of the (largely Jewish) ruling class. So, 90% of the time a mixed race marriage we can expect will still lower IQ. Also the main goal of destroying whiteness is still acheived

The nefarious reasons behind White demographic change are hard to accept.

Why? It's ubiquitous

But I can't accept that Trudeau, or Merkel or Joe Biden have a secret agenda to punish their own skin color

Politicians are self-serving buttgoys who serve the ruling class and especially Jewish billionaires. Also don't refer to race as "skin color" if you want to be taken seriously. Just look at the actions or statements of Merkel or Trudeau and tell me they aren't anti-white and anti-natalist. Who is responsible for migrant rapes of natives or Sweden?

as opposed to being round up and being lead to the mixed race breeding farms.

You can't engage in outright totalitarianism and give away the shot and also not expect a reaction. That's why it's happening slowly and covertly

Even if the nefarious reasons are right

Now I just want to stop you right there - what is happening is already nefarious. The policies that are currently in place in Western countries are destroying white people, their countries, and their history. This is a crime against humanity, and is a genocide. The fact they are guilty of committing these crimes (or at best, guilty of gross negligence) is not contingent on establishing the reasons why they are doing it

opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences

What signs indicate this will happen? By and large, white people are not racist.

Whites identify with their race the least out of all groups.By contrast, blacks are racist, as are Hispanics and Muslims. The anti-white hatred is increasing, not decreasing.

How do we know when "racism" is over and we don't have to suffer this vitriolic propaganda and social conditioning? When will AA end? Especially when true equality is impossible, because of race and IQ differences (among others)? When will the Jewish media stop scapegoating and harassing white people?

Obviously, there are absolutely no indicators at all anti-white racism and policies will ever end. In short, your plan is bad and foolish, and white people should ignore people like you - lest they want to be abused and destroyed by other races in the countries they built

the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy?

Ask Palestinians if they think that's what the goal of the US is

After all, a future where everyone is rich, everyone has health care, everyone has good education,

This will never happen because of race and IQ and our ongoing dysgenic collapse.

Yet if there was a global effort to make everyone slaves

Technological slavery is a real thing. They control the means of production and communication. That's how they could censor the president, deplatform parler, arrest all the capitol protestors, and why we are here on saidit and not reddit. You get jailed in the UK for tweets. Don't be an advocate for dystopia. I'd rather live on a small, ethnically homogeneous society beyond the reaches of evil globalist plutocrats than in a censorial globohomo international police state

literally become about melanin

"Race" is not about "melanin" levels and never was

These are a lot of tough questions

They weren't, but thanks for stopping by

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The main reasons for elites forcing third-world immigration and miscegenation are these To keep wages low Prevent labor from organizing against elites by introducing cross-cutting racial frictions and ensuring high supply of labor (unions are dead) Prevent populist native uprisings ("sure the elites are bad and blacks are more criminal - but we can't be racist! Not all x are like that") (For Jews esp ) Revenge for the holocaust and to prevent a second Hitler The pro-race mixing globohomo propaganda is designed to make whites like other races and not see them as the threat they are, and the anti-white propaganda is to browbeat the higher-T, more ethnocentric whites into submission. While lowering the average IQ is a side effect, IMO the more important goal is just to disrupt any ethnic homogeneity native whites have so they don't organize

Black people were leading populist uprising the minute they were enslaved in the new world. Many other immigrants as well have backgrounds that stem from resistance. Hong Kong protestors? Cuban exiles? Syrian refugees? The Elite are actually creating their own worst enemy by bringing together the best fighers to stop them. As for Hitler coming back? He lead a genocidal war machine that killed millions of Europeans. It is not up to Jews to decide revenge, there already exist White people today who are ready to fight him again.

Most of these are in latin america and they are pretty corrupt already. The entire point of Hart-Cellar was to turn the US into Brazil and they have largely achieved this

Brazil had some pretty nasty dictatorships, backed by the USA. The two countries are not remotely similar.

The elite class is international and taking over the US (24% world GDP) and stabilizing it against populist revolt was an essential goal, especially while Europe is still vastly white.

What kind of revolt are we looking at here? Democracy and the constitution serve as the foundation of America. The only revolt we saw, was by Trump. And it was immediately crushed before he could replace Democracy with Tyrannical Fascism.

East Asians are like 5% of the US population and Jews are on the side of the (largely Jewish) ruling class. So, 90% of the time a mixed race marriage we can expect will still lower IQ. Also the main goal of destroying whiteness is still acheived

Why is it possible to mix with Jews at all? If I was a cunning Elite, I would ban such marriages if there was a conspiracy for us to rule the world. Yet Jews and Blacks or Whites and Jews are allowed to mix, and U.S law defends that. All this tells me is that Elites are going to be bred out and get replaced with someone else, funny enough.

Politicians are self-serving buttgoys who serve the ruling class and especially Jewish billionaires JPG . Also don't refer to race as "skin color" if you want to be taken seriously. Just look at the actions or statements of Merkel or Trudeau and tell me they aren't anti-white and anti-natalist. Who is responsible for migrant rapes of natives or Sweden?

Trudeau himself has white children and white wife. If he was committed to white genocide, he could go to Thailand and get himself a harem. I think the man can be crazy for a ton of reasons, but he hasn't demonstrated he wants to violently kill Canadians who are Caucasian. He is in fact, rewarding them. Compare the coronavirus deaths in the U.S and Canada, and White Canadians are being spared in huge numbers.

Now I just want to stop you right there - what is happening is already nefarious. The policies that are currently in place in Western countries are destroying white people, their countries, and their history. This is a crime against humanity, and is a genocide. The fact they are guilty of committing these crimes (or at best, guilty of gross negligence) is not contingent on establishing the reasons why they are doing it

White people voted for mass immigration. They did last year, and the year before that, and the decades before that. Do you want to call your own race nefarious? After all, they are the closest thing to flesh and blood, yet they went to the polls and made sure Trudeau or Biden got in office and not Richard Spencer, or William Pierce or David duke. Again, whites everywhere in the West are going to the ballot box and keep ticking off Liberal or Conservative only. There's no way they believe in harming themselves like some kind of child playing with matches. They're grown adults and can think for themselves. And if that's what they want, the majority of white people have clearly spoken.

What signs indicate this will happen?

[Racial] Slavery has been banned for a long time. So has Jim Crow, or Apartheid or racist laws that put white supremacy on a pillar while seeking to divide and conquer other groups. With no active movement to bring those back, human beings can start working together and hopefully create a better world that rewards merit.

How do we know when "racism" is over and we don't have to suffer this vitriolic propaganda and social conditioning?

Racism wont be over for a long time. But it's better than the previous alternative that tried to make genocide or hatred of non-white people socially acceptable. The world right now can at least breathe a sigh of relief that we get to enjoy peace vs watching Hitler 2.0 invade another country for his lebensraum.

Technological slavery is a real thing. They control the means of production and communication. That's how they could censor the president, deplatform parler, arrest all the capitol protestors, and why we are here on saidit and not reddit. You get jailed in the UK for tweets. Don't be an advocate for dystopia. I'd rather live on a small, ethnically homogeneous society beyond the reaches of evil globalist plutocrats than in a censorial globohomo international police state

Then we should stop worshipping technology, or treat it as tool meant to complete only important tasks. Twitter and Parler should not be your life. If you really care about white people, distance yourself from the internet and focus on replenishing the white birth rate. Just calling other non-white people genetically inferior or low IQ doesn't benefit anyone. Third world people are not going to go on the internet to learn how to hate themselves. They'll want valuable information and skills to make their nations more habitable.

"Race" is not about "melanin" levels and never was

It probably will be in the future. If America is even half as mixed or more immigrants move to the country and create successful ventures, blaming genetics for human failures wont have any substance.

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

White people voted for mass immigration. They did last year, and the year before that, and the decades before that. Do you want to call your own race nefarious? After all, they are the closest thing to flesh and blood, yet they went to the polls and made sure Trudeau or Biden got in office and not Richard Spencer, or William Pierce or David duke. Again, whites everywhere in the West are going to the ballot box and keep ticking off Liberal or Conservative only. There's no way they believe in harming themselves like some kind of child playing with matches. They're grown adults and can think for themselves. And if that's what they want, the majority of white people have clearly spoken.

Regardless of anything else, yes people do vote for things that harm themselves, their children, and society at large in great numbers.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If that's your opinion, I wont hold it against you. You're completely within your right to believe that.

From my own non-bias viewpoint, replacement migration can only be harmful, when you import a group or person who represents an immediate threat. A great example where the 9/11 terrorists. They had no hopes of assimilating and ultimately killed thousands for the little time they stayed in the U.S. Or importing people who carry a foreign virus. At least until they're quarantined and are deemed to not be superspreaders.

Now, applying these conditions to the arbitrary label of race is far more superfluous. Not every Italian person is born a serial killer, nor is every Asian person going to be some genius who just graduated Harvard. These are characteristics that can be applied to any group of humans rather than the notion that "if you import a certain race, you are expected to violently hurt yourself in the process". And I believe most White people who have ever gone to the polls understands this when they voted for immigration that is now making themselves minorities. They don't see a physical threat that comes with importing 300,000+ people a year who have to go through security and pass a naturalization test before they're allowed to reside in their borders. That's not to say out of these 300,000, some of these people may go on to be violent criminals or terrorists. But it becomes a gamble. Do you pass up the opportunity to import non-white people who can contribute greatly to society, or do you close the borders and stick with the people who already exist in America? But by doing the latter, it gives foreign countries the competitive edge to import the next Steve Jobs or Sundar Pichai and make themselves richer in the process. If America or Americans want to maintain their status as #1 most powerful country, then the argument becomes harder for why you would let these [successful] non-white people get swooped up by another country. Imagine if for example, Russia and China got all the foreign talent instead? Or if China controlled Google and Twitter? Then U.S dominance is immediately challenged and it becomes impossible to fight back economically.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Now, applying these conditions to the arbitrary label of race is far more superfluous.

It's very straightforward to show the statistical effects of immigration on a group by group basis on things like employment, crime, social values etc. These have all had deleterious effects on the life outcomes of most white Americans.

And I believe most White people who have ever gone to the polls understands this when they voted for immigration that is now making themselves minorities.

Most Americans can barely pick out their country on a map, they have little idea of the complex social economic factors correlating with mass immigration. Nor where they given a choice about immigration - their choice was to vote for whatever candidates the oligarchic elite deign to present as an option. The politics of the elite and the commoner are incredibly different, that's why the system is so controlled and propagandized. Even a guy like Trump (who is an elite) and wanted relatively minor immigration reform was stymied by the deep state and attempted coups thrown at him.

Do you pass up the opportunity to import non-white people who can contribute greatly to society, or do you close the borders and stick with the people who already exist in America?

I pass it up. I cannot think of any immigrant from recent decades that has so greatly improved society that it justifies the effects of mass immigration.

But by doing the latter, it gives foreign countries the competitive edge to import the next Steve Jobs or Sundar Pichai and make themselves richer in the process. If America or Americans want to maintain their status as #1 most powerful country, then the argument becomes harder for why you would let these [successful] non-white people get swooped up by another country. Imagine if for example, Russia and China got all the foreign talent instead? Or if China controlled Google and Twitter?

I don't give a shit about America being the most powerful nation in the world. I sincerely hope it falls from that position. It has done nothing but murder masses of people and drive it's own people into poverty to embrace globalization since attaining that position. The tech oligarchs hate people like me and them amassing some grand wealth doesn't benefit me - just the opposite.

Then U.S dominance is immediately challenged and it becomes impossible to fight back economically.

The current economic paradigm is driving millions of white into poverty, suicide, migration while being told they are evil people because of the colour of their skin. The only thing the US is fighting for is to amass and concentrate wealth more into the urban centers for the international bourgeoise and capitalists and the only interest most of them for the welfare of the other people in the nation starts and ends at their paycheck.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's very straightforward to show the statistical effects of immigration on a group by group basis on things like employment, crime, social values etc. These have all had deleterious effects on the life outcomes of most white Americans.

What statistics shows this? Generally wealthier immigrants have not shown themselves to be bigger threats than Native born Americans who live in poor/violent communities. They're even likely to have the opposite effect. Rich immigrants comes and pays his taxes or opens a business that employs more Americans. I do think there's an argument that assimilation and personally vetting everyone who crosses the border is vital for a nation's health, instead of imposing no restrictions and thus terrorists or virus spreaders can walk inside with ease.

Most Americans can barely pick out their country on a map, they have little idea of the complex social economic factors correlating with mass immigration. Nor where they given a choice about immigration - their choice was to vote for whatever candidates the oligarchic elite deign to present as an option. The politics of the elite and the commoner are incredibly different, that's why the system is so controlled and propagandized. Even a guy like Trump (who is an elite) and wanted relatively minor immigration reform was stymied by the deep state and attempted coups thrown at him.

They have a choice dude. Since the 1950s, we had Segregationists/White Nationalists parade in public trying to rally together support from White people. Yet come voting day, they never cracked more than 1% of the total votes. Whether you want to blame this on poor strategy, the Jews or just flat out ignorance, Americans had all the time in the world to vote for anyone who could have said no to diversity and try and reverse it.

Similarly, the Far-Left wanted to run candidates like Bernie Sanders for President. Yet Democrats still keep giving him the finger and he lost twice to more Centrist candidates like Hillary and Biden. This doesn't mean Communists don't have a choice. It's more like their choices just don't ever win where it matters.

I pass it up. I cannot think of any immigrant from recent decades that has so greatly improved society that it justifies the effects of mass immigration.

One of the most famous of all was Albert Einstein, and all the other scientists that Nazi Germany kicked out but then found their home in the U.S. Whether or not you approved of their contributions, it's still hard to deny that there have been many immigrants that went on to be pop culture icons or helped bolster specific industries. https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/american-icons-who-you-might-not-know-were-immigrants

I don't give a shit about America being the most powerful nation in the world. I sincerely hope it falls from that position. It has done nothing but murder masses of people and drive it's own people into poverty to embrace globalization since attaining that position. The tech oligarchs hate people like me and them amassing some grand wealth doesn't benefit me - just the opposite.

That's ok if you don't want the U.S to be the most powerful nation. Although there's a famous saying "be careful what you wish for". America's dominance is the reason democracy or freedom are actual real ideas instead of myths. If China or the Soviet Union held the throne instead, you can expect life to match those countries. But again, it's up to you if you're willing to sacrifice America's exceptionalism.

The current economic paradigm is driving millions of white into poverty, suicide, migration while being told they are evil people because of the colour of their skin. The only thing the US is fighting for is to amass and concentrate wealth more into the urban centers for the international bourgeoise and capitalists and the only interest most of them for the welfare of the other people in the nation starts and ends at their paycheck.

These arguments were used everytime a Socialist revolution broke out, only for regular citizens to end up starving or have a boot planted across their neck. Capitalism is not perfect and perhaps more can be done to try and regulate it, but ultimately, it's still the only system right now that manages to work. You are well within your right to reject this system, but understand it's a huge uphill battle to convince millions of other people to remove Capitalism. Heck, many people who immigrated to the U.S were already victims of Socialist regimes or fought in wars to stop it.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What statistics shows this? Generally wealthier immigrants have not shown themselves to be bigger threats than Native born Americans who live in poor/violent communities. They're even likely to have the opposite effect. Rich immigrants comes and pays his taxes or opens a business that employs more Americans. I do think there's an argument that assimilation and personally vetting everyone who crosses the border is vital for a nation's health, instead of imposing no restrictions and thus terrorists or virus spreaders can walk inside with ease.

The vast majority of immigrants are not wealthy "job creators". Even in areas like tech 99% of them are there to drive down wages, not because they are brilliant savants doing jobs average Joe is not capable of. I have worked in tech for many years and I'm fully aware that the vast majority of jobs don't need more than a 100 IQ or that the field is anything like fair for white people.

They have a choice dude. Since the 1950s, we had Segregationists/White Nationalists parade in public trying to rally together support from White people. Yet come voting day, they never cracked more than 1% of the total votes. Whether you want to blame this on poor strategy, the Jews or just flat out ignorance, Americans had all the time in the world to vote for anyone who could have said no to diversity and try and reverse it.

Americans do not vote on policies, they vote for candidates. These candidates are vetted by the institutions run and controlled by the elite. These candidates are supported by the worlds most sophisticated and powerful propaganda machine to funnel votes into the two party system controlled by capital. In the odd scenario where someone even slightly off the reservation attains national power like Trump (who was an elite and 90% of his policy was aimed at their benefit) they will be destroyed by the deep state.

Similarly, the Far-Left wanted to run candidates like Bernie Sanders for President. Yet Democrats still keep giving him the finger and he lost twice to more Centrist candidates like Hillary and Biden. This doesn't mean Communists don't have a choice. It's more like their choices just don't ever win where it matters.

Sanders is a milquetoast social democrat who very purposefully and obviously had the Democrat party apparatus shut down his campaigns in 2016 and 2020 through outright vote manipulation and controlled opposition (like Warren).

One of the most famous of all was Albert Einstein, and all the other scientists that Nazi Germany kicked out but then found their home in the U.S. Whether or not you approved of their contributions, it's still hard to deny that there have been many immigrants that went on to be pop culture icons or helped bolster specific industries. https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/american-icons-who-you-might-not-know-were-immigrants

Why should I care? Is some parasite like Sundar Pichai a great boon to American society because...he helped build the technocracy that would gladly drone strike and silence people like me?

That's ok if you don't want the U.S to be the most powerful nation. Although there's a famous saying "be careful what you wish for". America's dominance is the reason democracy or freedom are actual real ideas instead of myths. If China or the Soviet Union held the throne instead, you can expect life to match those countries. But again, it's up to you if you're willing to sacrifice America's exceptionalism.

No one cares. The masses of immigrants you support do not give a shit about freedom of speech or the bill of rights or whatever. They are here for a paycheck and if the technocracy destroys some white losers life for saying the wrong words in public why should they give a shit? You are arguing for a country which no longer exists and people like you helped destroy it.

These arguments were used everytime a Socialist revolution broke out, only for regular citizens to end up starving or have a boot planted across their neck. Capitalism is not perfect and perhaps more can be done to try and regulate it, but ultimately, it's still the only system right now that manages to work. You are well within your right to reject this system, but understand it's a huge uphill battle to convince millions of other people to remove Capitalism. Heck, many people who immigrated to the U.S were already victims of Socialist regimes or fought in wars to stop it.

I don't expect to convince anyone. I expect to see people further immiserated, impoverished, more white suicides, more low IQ race mixed retards, more immigrants, further entrenchment of white hatred in the culture, and well the list goes on. The US will be an uglier, dumber, worse place to live and I expect people like you to be waving a little flag and cheering it on so you can jack off about the idea of Pradesh the immigrant making 200k while Joe Whitey overdoses on fentanyl in some economically dead midwestern town.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The vast majority of immigrants are not wealthy "job creators". Even in areas like tech 99% of them are there to drive down wages, not because they are brilliant savants doing jobs average Joe is not capable of. I have worked in tech for many years and I'm fully aware that the vast majority of jobs don't need more than a 100 IQ or that the field is anything like fair for white people.

Most people in general are not job creators, but the ones who do come across as wealthy or innovative are clearly valuable. I don't disagree that huge amounts of immigration brings down wages but it's also a double edge sword. Keeping food cheap often relies on people doing back breaking labor for long hours. And without enough White people to go down and work those fields, immigration was used to keep up with demand.

Americans do not vote on policies, they vote for candidates. These candidates are vetted by the institutions run and controlled by the elite. These candidates are supported by the worlds most sophisticated and powerful propaganda machine to funnel votes into the two party system controlled by capital. In the odd scenario where someone even slightly off the reservation attains national power like Trump (who was an elite and 90% of his policy was aimed at their benefit) they will be destroyed by the deep state.

Then the onus is on the Far-Left and Far-Right to somehow infiltrate this system and get their candidates to win the polls. But that leads to an interesting question. How can there exist an all powerful Communist or Nazi conspiracy, if the Elites don't want either group in power? Wouldn't this actually prove for a fact that it's Moderates who secretly run the show?

Sanders is a milquetoast social democrat who very purposefully and obviously had the Democrat party apparatus shut down his campaigns in 2016 and 2020 through outright vote manipulation and controlled opposition (like Warren).

Shouldn't you be happy for this? Sanders and the far-left are your enemy, yet Democrats refuse to even let someone more Liberal assume control of the country? Otherwise, the alternative you're telling me is America should be allowed to vote for Communist Presidents whose agenda will invoke actual white genocide?

Why should I care? Is some parasite like Sundar Pichai a great boon to American society because...he helped build the technocracy that would gladly drone strike and silence people like me?

You were never going to care since you already revealed your true feelings of not wanting the U.S to have dominance. At least understand there are valid reasons for why millions of people would think differently from you on this subject with the reasons being provided in this thread.

No one cares. The masses of immigrants you support do not give a shit about freedom of speech or the bill of rights or whatever. They are here for a paycheck and if the technocracy destroys some white losers life for saying the wrong words in public why should they give a shit? You are arguing for a country which no longer exists and people like you helped destroy it.

Don't confuse the media for free speech. I mean, it was literally Conservatives who pushed the argument first that "Private Businesses have a right to refuse service". It's natural we see this argument now be taken up by tech giants who clearly see a use for it. As for immigrants not caring about the constitution, look what happened last month. Trump ordered an insurrection that was all about overturning a legal election using the same rules created by the founding fathers. If you believe Democrats are the party of immigrants or that more immigrants voted for them, shouldn't they have joined in on the protest and watch democracy fall?

I don't expect to convince anyone. I expect to see people further immiserated, impoverished, more white suicides, more low IQ race mixed retards, more immigrants, further entrenchment of white hatred in the culture, and well the list goes on. The US will be an uglier, dumber, worse place to live and I expect people like you to be waving a little flag and cheering it on so you can jack off about the idea of Pradesh the immigrant making 200k while Joe Whitey overdoses on fentanyl in some economically dead midwestern town.

The fantasy that America is somehow becoming worse is scientifically false. The 1990s had far more violence and divorce cases than what is happening today. The U.S continues to spend a lot of money on defense, or science and technology. That's not doom and gloom for white people. Maybe politicians can do more to help White Americans, but this argument technically extends to all races that live there. And once you reach that conclusion, what exactly becomes the purpose of White Nationalism?

You desire not seeing White people suffer. Ok, we can agree to that belief. But what if I want black or Indian or hispanics to have a better life as well? The country doesn't implode, and it even becomes stronger now that more people are healthy and find common ground to work towards a better future.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Most people in general are not job creators, but the ones who do come across as wealthy or innovative are clearly valuable. I don't disagree that huge amounts of immigration brings down wages but it's also a double edge sword. Keeping food cheap often relies on people doing back breaking labor for long hours. And without enough White people to go down and work those fields, immigration was used to keep up with demand.

We are a massively obese nation producing far more food than we need, yet it was necessary to keep prices as low possible (or was it to drive small holders out of business in favor of corporations?) via massively exploited labour?

Then the onus is on the Far-Left and Far-Right to somehow infiltrate this system and get their candidates to win the polls. But that leads to an interesting question. How can there exist an all powerful Communist or Nazi conspiracy, if the Elites don't want either group in power? Wouldn't this actually prove for a fact that it's Moderates who secretly run the show?

There is no conspiracy, liberal capitalism (what you call "moderates") is plainly what runs and owns the nation in the interest of the elite. You are mistaken if you think some shadowy Jewish conspiracy is necessary to form a right wing world view or explain the current world from that perspective.

Shouldn't you be happy for this? Sanders and the far-left are your enemy, yet Democrats refuse to even let someone more Liberal assume control of the country? Otherwise, the alternative you're telling me is America should be allowed to vote for Communist Presidents whose agenda will invoke actual white genocide?

Sanders isn't far left. He is completely indistinguishable from liberalism on things like race and immigration. At least things like universal healthcare and better wages might benefit white communities which is more than you can say for someone like Biden. Not that I believe Sanders was capable of implementing those things even if he had won.

However this is digression from the main point - he was clearly cheated out of winning the nomination by the party system. Neither Trump or Sanders are really that far from the existing system, yet they were destroyed by it because any notable variance is a threat to the elite. Democracy only exists within the confines of what the elite allow.

Don't confuse the media for free speech. I mean, it was literally Conservatives who pushed the argument first that "Private Businesses have a right to refuse service". It's natural we see this argument now be taken up by tech giants who clearly see a use for it.

Most conservatives are retards who gladly walked hand in hand with liberalism and corporations to destroy the country. Free speech being totally destroyed in a public context because you can slap "private property" on the machines that control society means your values and movement are dogshit. American conservatives have lost, their country is dead, they have only to wake up to real world. What exists now is some valueless and identityless (beyond a paycheck) multicultural nation where rights end at the point it becomes inconvenient to liberal capitalism and white communities that refuse to prostrate themselves before their liberal urban neighbours are to be ground out.

As for immigrants not caring about the constitution, look what happened last month. Trump ordered an insurrection that was all about overturning a legal election using the same rules created by the founding fathers. If you believe Democrats are the party of immigrants or that more immigrants voted for them, shouldn't they have joined in on the protest and watch democracy fall?

A protest getting into the capital is not what a coup looks like. They were a bunch of powerless losers who temporarily scared the vampires in congress. There was no mechanism or chance they would overturn the election and their demands were basically for recounts or investigations of possibly manipulated votes.

What a coup looks like is when the deep state acts to remove elected officials - i.e. the complete fabrication of evidence from CIA sources and media leading to the "Russian" conspiracy.

An easy way to see how hopelessly controlled by propaganda the country is that a protest by commoners making it into congress is damned as a catastrophic insurrection while an actual attempted coup by the elite is either largely forgotten or still celebrated by liberals who label themselves defender of democracy.

The fantasy that America is somehow becoming worse is scientifically false. The 1990s had far more violence and divorce cases than what is happening today. The U.S continues to spend a lot of money on defense, or science and technology. That's not doom and gloom for white people. Maybe politicians can do more to help White Americans, but this argument technically extends to all races that live there.

If you like numbers here are a few for you - a massive spike in white suicides, drug use, broken families, infertility, declining population numbers, outgroup preferences etc.

And once you reach that conclusion, what exactly becomes the purpose of White Nationalism?

Fighting back against the destruction of white communities and the systems of propaganda and control that promote it.

You desire not seeing White people suffer. Ok, we can agree to that belief. But what if I want black or Indian or hispanics to have a better life as well? The country doesn't implode, and it even becomes stronger now that more people are healthy and find common ground to work towards a better future.

If the last year didn't wake you up nothing will.

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We are a massively obese nation producing far more food than we need, yet it was necessary to keep prices as low possible (or was it to drive small holders out of business in favor of corporations?) via massively exploited labour?

Curtailing obesity could come in better forms of encouraging people to eat more healthier foods, or regulating sugar content. Also, look at obesity breakdowns by ethnic or cultural groups. Are Asian Americans or Amish Americans suffering from high obese rates, yet still enjoy the benefits of seeing grocery store shelves fully stocked?

There is no conspiracy, liberal capitalism (what you call "moderates") is plainly what runs and owns the nation in the interest of the elite. You are mistaken if you think some shadowy Jewish conspiracy is necessary to form a right wing world view or explain the current world from that perspective.

If moderates are what run the country, then honestly, I rather support such a system. At least it means any Elite group can eventually be reasoned with because their political allegiance match the majority of citizens whereas far-left and far-right remain in fringe territory every election day.

Sanders isn't far left. He is completely indistinguishable from liberalism on things like race and immigration. At least things like universal healthcare and better wages might benefit white communities which is more than you can say for someone like Biden. Not that I believe Sanders was capable of implementing those things even if he had won.

Sanders policies are closer to bankrupting the country while handing off more power to extremists within the Democratic Party that do lean closer to Socialism/Communism. At least with Biden, we already know his politics considering he served under the Obama administration. And by today's standards, Obama actually had some centre-right ideas (i.e, originally opposed gay marriage, and he even deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did). Obviously he's not perfect, but it's better than giving the reigns to Comrade Lenin who would seriously try to seize your means of productions.

Most conservatives are retards who gladly walked hand in hand with liberalism and corporations to destroy the country. Free speech being totally destroyed in a public context because you can slap "private property" on the machines that control society means your values and movement are dogshit. American conservatives have lost, their country is dead, they have only to wake up to real world. What exists now is some valueless and identityless (beyond a paycheck) multicultural nation where rights end at the point it becomes inconvenient to liberal capitalism and white communities that refuse to prostrate themselves before their liberal urban neighbours are to be ground out.

Nobody is forced to use twitter to express themselves. The real failure comes from glorifying these companies or putting them on a pedestal that free speech must have originated from them. Ditch social media or stop giving these companies your money. Because they literally survive off outrage and media clicks.

A protest getting into the capital is not what a coup looks like. They were a bunch of powerless losers who temporarily scared the vampires in congress. There was no mechanism or chance they would overturn the election and their demands were basically for recounts or investigations of possibly manipulated votes. What a coup looks like is when the deep state acts to remove elected officials - i.e. the complete fabrication of evidence from CIA sources and media leading to the "Russian" conspiracy. An easy way to see how hopelessly controlled by propaganda the country is that a protest by commoners making it into congress is damned as a catastrophic insurrection while an actual attempted coup by the elite is either largely forgotten or still celebrated by liberals who label themselves defender of democracy.

The "protest" came with a lot of intimidation and threats. The FBI put out a wanted poster for a person who clearly carried zipties with him (trying to take hostages)? There's also the incident of a police officer who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Just because the coup failed, doesn't mean they weren't trying to change the election outcome. Trump himself pushed the stolen election claim, long after the courts threw out all his cases. There wasn't a serious call to accept Biden had legally won Presidency until it was too late. But regardless, all the immigrants who wanted to tear down the USA or its constitution had their opening. Yet it was only the Pro-Trump side who actually acted on it on January 6th.

If you like numbers here are a few for you - a massive spike in white suicides, drug use, broken families, infertility, declining population numbers, outgroup preferences etc.

These are arguments that liberals can actually make they aim on solving. Like declining population numbers, they're obviously aware that the U.S situation has turned to immigration to keep the numbers up. Or with suicides, they believe in doing something to improve the mental health system. Will it work? Who knows, but there's more nuance than just trying to paint the country as only sliding into a decline.

Fighting back against the destruction of white communities and the systems of propaganda and control that promote it.

And if White nationalism doesn't fix it, what comes next? Or what if What Nationalism is used to destroy another community, as was the case with Jim Crow and other historical white supremacist policies? It comes across as trading one evil for another evil.

If the last year didn't wake you up nothing will.

Last year when the country held together, and only Trump and the insurrectionists tried to push for the opposite? Well, he was stopped and is now completely stripped of President so it can't happen again...