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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I did this already in more detail

I just skimmed this article but I can look at it in detail later

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My comments:

Even in the scientifically implausible scenario that Ashkenazim are not lying about their IQ, their over-representation in the upper echelons of society cannot be attributed to that factor

This is the bottom line - and is almost incontrovertibly true

It’s often claimed that Ashkenazi Jews have an IQ of between 108 and 115, averaging at 111; which is the highest IQ in the world.

Yes. I say it's 110

This article is focused on Ashkenazim

Yes no one cares about the other groups

Nothing much in the middle to disagree with

The claim of Jewish super-IQ seemingly sprung up from nowhere, unsupported by previous studies on Jewish intelligence

Before the 1940s or so most young US Jews still spoke Yiddish and barely spoke English. Lynn talks about this. The reason it "sprung out of nowhere" was because IQ tests were just starting to be a thing at the time and tests on Jews are small in number in general because Jews are a fraction of the population

Israeli IQ

Lynn talks about this in his book. The gist is 1) Israel is not full of Ashkenazis 2) Many so-called "Ashkenazis" are probably gentiles who tried to escape the soviet union 3) it could be the more successful Jews just decided to stay in Western countries instead of emigrating

So this explains 103 for Israel and 110ish for non-Israeli Ashkenazim

A study on Israeli children from ages 9 to 15 conducted by Kaniel and Fisherman demonstrates that they have a distinctly average IQ of 100

IQ scores have lower heritability in childhood. Most of the racial differences don't manifest until adulthood. This is true of the black-white IQ gap too

somehow managed to “evolve” a one-standard-deviation IQ advantage over Northern Europeans and an almost-two-standard-deviation IQ advantage over Middle Eastern Jews, their genetic ancestors, in a mere 1,000 to 2,000 years

There is no reason given for why this is implausible

If this hypothesis were accurate, shouldn’t the Middle Eastern Mizrahim, who practice identical traditions, have experienced this intelligence boost as well?

This is a good argument against the "memorizing Talmud" theory, but this theory is also the weakest explanation for Ashkenazim IMO

Can oppression and persecution increase the IQ of a population group? Let’s ask our friend, Global IQ Map, about the “persecuted” and “oppressed” peoples of the World.

This is a juvenile and weak critique of the argument. Obviously the lefty meme that brown people are "oppressed" is just total BS and makes no sense in the de-colonized modern era. By contrast, Jews lived in Europe and could not (or did not) flee the continent and had to constantly move between different principalities and kingdoms to avoid persecution (and sometimes, execution). This is not the same as the situation in Africa or other places today, and happened to Jews for about 2,000 years, having a eugenic effect on their intelligence.

The Mizrahim of the Middle East and Sephardim of North Africa are and were over-represented in these trades, and have been so for many centuries. Yet, their average IQ is almost two standard deviations lower than the Ashkenazim

But they are 2/3rds a SD above the native inhabitants of the area which is a trend that holds true for almost all Jewish groups and is essential for the kinds of trades they engage in. That is the connection

Also this author doesn't address any of the PGS data that also corroborates 110

The bottom line is this:

1).We don't know for sure how much smarter Ashkenazi Jews are relative to White Gentiles (but we know they are at least somewhat smarter, 5-12 points, I say 110)

2) And even the most generous assumptions on Ashkenazi IQ cannot explain their power

You don't need to make any allegations of fakery or whatever to show this. Their overrepresentation still has to be due to "something else" - and it's up to denialists to prove it isn't what it obviously is

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ashkenazi verbal is about 125, and that's the part of IQ that correlates better to life succes.

IIRC, east Asian higher IQ is almost all on VSM, it's about the same as Euro for verbal. Good engineers, mediocre innovators.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

that's the part of IQ that correlates better to life succes.

True but

Ashkenazi verbal is about 125

This is impossible. Could you reasonably say a population so closely related genetically to Europeans has an average verbal IQ nearly two standard deviations above the mean? Maybe 115, a full SD, but not 125

east Asian higher IQ is almost all on VSM, it's about the same as Euro for verbal

AFAIK

GConly

Tell me you aren't actually Greg Cochran

Edit: "Gender Critical only", lol that makes more sense

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Their deviation is less than 1 SD higher total, it's only on verbal it's not much higher.

Yes it is possible, there's a decent case to be made that some of their heritable diseases like torsion dystonia contribute to it. Sufferers if that have an IQ about 11 points higher.

Also how related a population is, is a bit irrelevant. You could boost (or lower) the IQ of any group insanely through selective pressure. There's virtually a 2 SD difference between Jews and Western raised Africans.

For example, if I had two identical populations on separate islands with different conditions, I could make major differences in a thousand years.

Island A has a lot of unpreventable tropical diseases, but food is easy to get, the climate is never a threat to life. This population prioritises fast reproduction. Being clever here is zero advantage, and may actually hinder fast reproduction as big brained babies take longer to grow and are harder to birth (higher mortality).

Island B is a bitch. The weather can kill, food production only happens six months a year. People that can't forward plan or take care of themselves die young. This favours bigger brains, because the stupid people just don't have many surviving kids.

All this can happen in a very short span of time. Iceland is already seeing genes for intelligence being selected out by the welfare state. ISYN.

So the fact we are closely related to the Ashkenazi doesn't mean we'd be similar.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Iceland? Wouldn't their generous welfare state be dysgenic in that its allowing trashy plebs to reproduce in large numbers and live off the government tit?

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. It's lowering their group IQ by about 0.03 per decade, IIRC.