Fundamentally, ALL military forces are trained extremist terrorists (murder machines) and communist (totalitarian socialism without democracy) under a commander in chief to shield and expand tyranny. Try to change my mind.

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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who cares? Global kumbaya lolbert world will never be a thing, so your opinions on the morality of military force are irrelevant. Your enemies have armies, so you're gonna need an army too

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

" Global kumbaya lolbert world will never be a thing "

I don't know what this means.

I said nothing about morality, so your judgement is irrelevant.

I said nothing about tribalist Us vs Them or "enemies", much less needing or not needing defences.

The question rephrased is:

Would you agree that ALL military forces are inherently totalitarian communist structures?

If not, why? And how would you "fix" or redefine my OP statement?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Would you agree that ALL military forces are inherently totalitarian communist structures?

I'm glad you rephrased it because I was having trouble wrapping my head around your original statement. This one is a slightly easier to respond too.

I disagree with contention with some concessions. Miltaries are extensions of very ancient defense forces. I say defensive because most offensive raiding parties were thrown together on a temporary basis. Defensive forces on the other hand needed to be year round operations. Especially if you live near hostile tribes. So how could you possible say a military is inherently totalitarian? Is it totalitarian to not allow another tribe to rape and murder you for your resources and women?

The second part of your supposition, that all militaries are 'communist' is just non nonsensical to me. Communism is a mostly an international ideology founded on class struggle and the theories of capitalism as viewed by Marx. How is this related to armies? Militaries vary all over the world depending on which group they emerge from and their politically shifting purposes.

Maybe you could help clarify even further by defining how you view a 'communist structure'.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know. Trying to be clear is a balancing act. Too much and it's confusing, too little and it's daft. In this case, you have both to compare.

You found a loophole because I was not clear regarding history. I didn't say I meant contemporary times and all current military forces are communist totalitarian structures (regardless of the politics of the nation).

By totalitarian I mean that there is no room for democracy, choice, consensus, or any other formation or liberty for that tribe/soldiers. It's 100% pure vertical hierarchy. I'm talking about the political structure of the military - not their actions (defense, offense, rape, murder, surrender, etc.).

It's safe to call communism an extreme version of socialism. Socialism is where everyone pitches in and the central authority distributes resources. Police, firemen, military, government, etc - all depend on socialism. Every nation on Earth has some socialist and some capitalist aspects, without exception. Balance is needed but we're in one of the most extreme times in history.

Marx had some good ideas but many have glaring weaknesses that were exploited, corrupted, and perverted into what we know as communism.

The class struggle of communism is about as legit as the bootstrap bullshit of capitalism. Propaganda, just as offensive wars are not for defense. The system is against all little people most of all.

I think it might be safe to say that the military hierarchy is a totalitarian structure. It's no republic, democracy, capitalist, etc. Add the fact that it's socialism that funds the enterprise, but not just any socialism, extremely strict (totalitarian) socialism, aka communism.

Maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of it than I should but I have heard "mafia police" and "mafia government" used to clearly express the concept of their monopoly on violence and theft (taxes) - and I had an epiphany about this one, and I would hope that in the spirit of anti-war and waging peace, perhaps it might be more widely utilized:

All modern militaries are totalitarian communist structures.