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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

As neorail said redbrown isnt really a thing anymore because there's no reds, those who have potential will more likely just come to our side because we're the only anti-capitalists. also working with ME states is fine but nazbollah within europe won't work, there's basically no crossover of interests for europeans and middle easterners in europe

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Plenty of videos of palestinian religious figures wanting to conquer europe, they are parasites where they come from and in europe.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

cool comment mr shapiro

[–]Courbeaux[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly and there is a very simple reason why the white nationalist movement needs to be explicitly pro-Palestine: anything that is not explicitly pro-Palestine will inevitably become pro-Zionist. That happens EVERY time. It doesn't matter if you care about Palestinians or not, once you start saying things like "both sides are enemies of whites" you lead yourself vulnerable to infiltration by "based Jews", even if you are openly waving swastikas around (look at Daily Stormer). The only way a nationalist movement can make clear that kikes aren't welcome is to align with Palestine.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This^

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Wow, I've never expected to be accused of being a jew. My point still stands, muslims are parasites and an alliance is nonsense, they're already in our countries, raping, killing while living off welfare on the backs of whites.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

also working with ME states is fine but nazbollah within europe won't work

European and Islamic nationalists have a long history of working together against jewry and capitalism is the point. No one is advocating bringing them into our countries or trying to court the muslims within Europe.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Enlighten me on this history.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Hitler and Al-Husseini as well as other Arabic leaders. Post-war Nasser working with all the still active NatSoc people (these people worked with the Soviet Union and South American communists too). Post-war upto even the present day nationalists in Europe commonly have links with Arabic governments such as Gaddafi with the BNP and Jorge Haider and Saddam Hussein. There's examples of SS/high ranking Nazi officials converting to Islam such as Johann von Leers (Omar Amin). The SS had 60,000 Islamic soldiers.

We have the same enemies; liberalism, capitalism, zionism and this has manifested our peoples being allied with each other in the past. If we are to gain power in the future we're going to need funding for the mass party, a potential source from this obviously could come from foreign states interested in seeing the overthrow of the world order that is oppressing both us in our homelands and them in theirs. This is why it's suss when you see people crying about muh china, muh russia/dugin, muh islam from people who are posing as dissidents. Anyone who is an enemy of our rulers and a self-styled national liberator would obviously not have any issues with taking funding or whatever from enemies of our oppressors. It's pretty obvious these kinds of talking points come straight from ZOG.

Otto Ernst Remer said it best in regards to the Soviet Union post-war, at this point the National Socialists didn't care to be anti-communist anymore because they no longer had a state so he declared "if the USSR ever did invade Germany, he would show the Russians the way to the Rhine", this is the attitude of any true national liberator.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Post-war upto even the present day nationalists in Europe commonly have links with Arabic governments such as Gaddafi

Gaddafi wanted to conquer europe through demographic replacement

a potential source from this obviously could come from foreign states interested in seeing the overthrow of the world order that is oppressing both us in our homelands and them in theirs

Muslims are replacing in our homelands, they don't to fund us because their people are already in europe and in 40-60 years they'll be the majority in europe. Let's take for example the Turkish president Erdogan, when he traveled in europe to do an electoral campaign he clearly said at Turks to make many children because they are the future of europe. I genuinely don't understand how our guys can see muslims as potential allies when they are clearly the enemy, they tried to take our lands since their religion was created, and behave the same today in europe, they beat, rape and kill out people every day.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gaddafi wanted to conquer europe through demographic replacement

This is literally the exact opposite of what happened. He was stopping the Africans going through Libya into Europe and it was immediately after they murdered him that the immigration shit started when they took over Libya. He literally has speeches where he's talking about this, how it's solely due to his efforts that Europe isn't being flooded by them lmao.

Muslims are replacing in our homelands, they don't to fund us because their people are already in europe and in 40-60 years they'll be the majority in europe. Let's take for example the Turkish president Erdogan, when he traveled in europe to do an electoral campaign he clearly said at Turks to make many children because they are the future of europe. I genuinely don't understand how our guys can see muslims as potential allies when they are clearly the enemy, they tried to take our lands since their religion was created, and behave the same today in europe, they beat, rape and kill out people every day.

The states I'm talking about don't even want their people to go to Europe, you're creating a nonsensical strawman. When did I ever advocate working with jew-puppet states or states that are hostile to us like Turkey? When did I advocate with working with muslims in general or muslims in our land committing crimes? You are either literally sub-Somalian tier IQ or just being dishonest intentionally. I'm talking about allying with the enemies of the jews whose interests align with ours like current Syria and Iran, and previously Iraq and Libya until Saddam and Gaddafi were killed.

Would you apply this same logic of 'all muslims are the same' to the European civilisation? Was the British state and Germany in 1933-1945 exactly the same? States clearly have differences, this idea that states are exactly the same because their populations have the same race or religion is retarded.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is literally the exact opposite of what happened. He was stopping the Africans going through Libya into Europe and it was immediately after they murdered him that the immigration shit started when they took over Libya. He literally has speeches where he's talking about this, how it's solely due to his efforts that Europe isn't being flooded by them lmao.

Here's the Gaddafi quote: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades." The man did indeed want to conquer europe through demographics

When did I advocate with working with muslims in general or muslims in our land committing crimes?

You never did but the problem is simply that they don't need to ally with us simply because if thngs don't change they'll eventually become majorities in our countries because they have high tfr.

You are either literally sub-Somalian tier IQ or just being dishonest intentionally.

Insulting me won't bring us anywhere, I just have no sympathy for muslims and their religion in general because they are a historical enemy of europe and still occupy european land. (Western anatolia and Costantinople which belong to Greece, and half of Cyprus)

I'm talking about allying with the enemies of the jews whose interests align with ours like current Syria and Iran

We can agree on this but Syria is a disaster right now so we are left only with Iran.

Little question for you, are you perhaps a muslim?

[–]Bagarmoossen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The left you are talking about has ceased to exist. The orphan european working classes are already flocking to our side naturally. See the French situation. Nationalism has completely replaced the dying and disfigured nominal "left", the same thing will happen all over Europe.

We are replacing them among normal white people and their new base (bugmen, degenerates and non whites) are of no use to us.

Any alliance between Islam and Euro nationalists can only be circumstantial at best. It would be fine to "ally" with them against globohomo (although I can't envison how any such alliance could be made - maybe something along the lines of the thought of Alain Soral, but I don't know how great the potential would be), but that will not change the fact that on the long run a strengthened and unified Islam (which is itself fundamentally globalist, anti-national and culturally supremacist) is as big a threat, and possibly a larger and more powerful threat to European civilization.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

>the proposed alliance of the extreme left, the extreme right

>and Islam?

I am not going to lie, that last part really took me off guard lol. I was expecting something like "deep ecology" or whatever.

To offer a better response, the issue with a potential "red-green-brown alliance" is twofold. First, there hasn't been any real "red" in a long time. The current left are anarchists and radlibs that are impossible to work with unless you are a liberal. Trying to cater to the last few remaining MLM parties also seems like a bad idea, since you could just try to poach their base instead. As to Islam, there aren't any difficulties with cooperating with Muslim governments in the Middle East, but I think a local European-Muslim alliance would be a difficult sell to both groups. It would be difficult to convince both groups to work together on a right wing agenda without losing your credibility in the process. If you have a good political solution as an end game and if the Muslim community also becomes as polarised as the European community, however, this might have some limited, specific potential.

Also what do you actually think of Dugin

His life's work is the creation of a political synthesis that is by nature impossible and incoherent. Some of the elements of that synthesis are worthwhile on their own terms, but the synthesis itself, both in theory and practice is nonsensical. "Eurasianism" is a dead end project that appeals to no one.

or the late Eduard Limonov?

I haven't seen anything of his personal work, but a lot of his supporters seem to promote garbage "pluralist" ideas that they would be much better off without.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ally with 2 groups that are actively destroying us is stupid, extremely stupid, suicidal.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ally is a strong word. If Jews can create coalitions against whites whites can create coalitions as well.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not with the factions that our guy here proposed.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed. I've never heard such an alliance mentioned in the dissident space which makes me suspicion courbeaux as some type of bad faith poster. People should not put forth alliances or coalitions without carefully explaining their reasoning.

[–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, I was under the impression that people in our movement were generally supportive of people like Assad, Hussein, Gaddafi, etc. and I don't see an issue with it. As long as they stay in their lane (that is, the ME) they are great as they have existing beef with and proximity to Israel and without the support of the West, Israel would get creamed. And, as I understand, Ba'athists are nationalists, which I assume would be rather against their countrymen fleeing and running off to Europe to rape and eat off welfare, but who knows.

Although something VERY IMPORTANT should be noted: It would be less of an alliance in any case, more of a mutual "we don't care about you too much, but we have the same general goal, so lets agree to leave each other alone"

[–]masterclass 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now that Zion don is out of the way and mercifully silenced by social media, there will probably be an increasing number of hard core lefties that become red pilled on the globalist establishment. It's no coincidence the wallstreetbets thing didnt happen until after Trump was gone as a focus of leftist hatred.

The extent to which the far left would ever be reliable allies is hard to say. I'm not optimistic. Most far lefties are motivated by wanting to be part of a clique, and being a real dissident means being ostracized and punished in the clownworld we live in. Modern day lefties generally arent intellectually honest enough to fully critique or understand the Jewish ruled system we live in. Jews themselves tend to focus heavily on coopting the left for their own purposes, which means open borders and anti white identity politics, issues which the Jewish establishment has made a litmus test for belonging to the "left" due to their media ownership and successful astroturfing of left wing social media.

As for Muslims. They are too broad a group to lump together, and their penchant for religious violence, lack of sophistication and interest only in religion would probably be a huge anchor around any movement and not really be of much benefit.