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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

1) Dating isn't "trad" by any past society's standards (Ancient Greece, Rome, the Germanic pagans, Christianity) and there is nothing conservative about promiscuity (what exactly are you conserving by being "promiscious"? your dignity? your virginity? what?). We should ideally return to a more chivalric culture of proposals and arranged marriages.

2) Any Christian person (male or female) who engages in pre-marital sexual activity, whether flirting, kissing, touching or sexual penetration (especially in a passage other than their vagina), is disobeying the clearly-stated religious laws of their holy texts and their validity of being a "conservative Christian" is laughable.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1) Dating isn't "trad" by any past society's standards (Ancient Greece, Rome, the Germanic pagans, Christianity) and there is nothing conservative about promiscuity (what exactly are you conserving by being "promiscious"? your dignity? your virginity? what?). We should ideally return to a more chivalric culture of proposals and arranged marriages.

Promiscuity and arranged marriages have existed side by side for millennia. Not to defend promiscuity, but especially given the current state of society, people are entitled to make their own choices on how to conduct themselves.

2) Any Christian person (male or female) who engages in pre-marital sexual activity, whether flirting, kissing, touching or sexual penetration (especially in a passage other than their vagina), is disobeying the clearly-stated religious laws of their holy texts and their validity of being a "conservative Christian" is laughable.

Even flirting? That's beyond puritanical. I doubt the number of Christians conforming to the standards you describe have ever broken the five percent mark in any era. A brief examination of folk tales and songs will confirm that much. What you're describing sounds way more like the liberal unsexing of people in an attempt to produce a homogeneous, uniform, equal humanity, rather than the conservative and healthy religious norms of previous societies.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

2) Any Christian person (male or female) who engages in pre-marital sexual activity, whether flirting, kissing, touching or sexual penetration (especially in a passage other than their vagina), is disobeying the clearly-stated religious laws of their holy texts and their validity of being a "conservative Christian" is laughable.

This is one of the most cringe bullshit I've ever read on this sub.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not a Christian, but I don't know how anyone can read the Bible (OT, NT or both) and thinks any of those acts would be permissible. The Abrahamic religions are not 'sex positive'.

[–]Pink[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dating isn't "trad" by any past society's standards

Any good books/papers on ancient/medieval courting processes? I'd like to know more about them. It may be the case I that I need to fuck quick in order to secure a girl these days. No kiss before marriage is probably optimal but I can't put a nuwoman under the authority of her father by taking it slow with her.