Do you think that there is any benefit in pushing for specific "high optics" reforms like free speech in order to increase political freedom and polarisation, or is that just a futile waste of time that will at best distract from the main issues and waste valuable populist energy?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

1) Yep, also the endless amounts of gayop parties like Britain First, For Britain, UKIP, Brexit Party for nationalists and then the endless fake leftist parties too for pro-worker politics. I was interested in George Galloway's party as a real leftist party but it's just like a George Orwell clone, libtard nationalism (Bourgeois Patriotism) with socialism mixed in. Then you go to their social media pages and all they go on about is how we need to hate Japan for being the bad guys in WWII, I can't even understand what the angle is on this one it's just a bizarre gayop.

2) Yes they started as just a social club but they're branching into doing civic work which is great. Mark's propaganda recently has been boneheaded though, he's doing covid hoax stuff and shit like that which only appeals to weirdos. They did leaflets telling people covid is a hoax, imagine if someone in your family died and the next day you got that through your door, it's so irresponsible.

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

1) I have only heard very little about Galloway's party, but as far as I understand it they recycle a bunch of the old Churchill era myths and mix those with some of the Old Left tankie myths. The demographics of the party are probably the most interesting thing about it, though. Lots of normal guys.

2) I am still not sure what exactly the PA engagement strategy is. Initially, I got the impression that they were trying to establish PA as a vanilla nationalist party but then not long after they started posting about Oswald Mosley and other types of wrongthink. We'll have to see how the party develops in the future.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1) To me they look like a gayop. It's fake nationalism with left wing economics, like UKIP for those who actually look into UKIP's economic policies and realise they're dogshit.

2) They were trying to just be like good optics white nationalists at first but then started Mosleyposting and talking about 'Fashtonbury' (Glastonbury for nationalists like a camping/festival thing they were talking about setting up). The weirdest thing is they're not even fascist from what I can tell, they don't talk about anything to do with worker organisation, finance, usury, speculation etc the typical fascist talking points and they have published like lolbert kind of articles about the gold standard and shit. I hope they do start getting economically populist, I'm not interested in just a nativist party with no substance. I think with them doing civic work and getting on the ground they will probably become more populist economically because they will hear the concerns of ordinary people more rather than middle class racist-Tory internet spergs who think Pinochet, Franco and Churchill are based.

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1) I feel like they are probably genuine but just very boomer. Fake nationalism is the hallmark of tankie and Churchill type bullshit. The rank and file might have some potential though, I don't know.

2) I was under the impression that the leadership and activist core are basically all fascist, but that they are using some high optics strategy as you said in order to avoid trouble and court moderate votes. There was this photo that circulated on Twitter of Mark with his old ex girlfriend and her gigantic swastika tattoo, for example. A lot of them are ex-BNP as well. I know exactly what you mean in regards to their platform, it seems like a single issue nativism party - that's why I was so confused to see them change their approach. Apart from their nativism there isn't much else to their policies, but they still namedrop people like Mosley.