Space exploration as a unifying purpose for a reawakened West

submitted by Bagarmoossen from self.debatealtright

Our civilization is rotting and hard times are coming that will either culminate in our downfall or in a rebirth.

In the case the West survives as an advanced high-tech society, it could be hard to keep it from again descending into a hedonistic mess given outstanding material and technological conditions as well as the lack of living space. The fate of European ethnostates right after WWII is a warning in that regard. Sweden well into the 1960s was a textbook nordic ethnostate with a conservative and nationalistic mainstream culture, the dream society of many in the alt-right, and look at how quickly the whole thing unraveled. Urbanization, the decline of small communities and farmers as well as the disappearance of danger and of any sense of urgency from the daily lives of the people played a key role in turning Sweden into LGBTQ headquarters. How differently would things have turned out if the Third Reich had survived WWII? I'm skeptical that the course of history would have changed all that much, at least in terms of morality and spirituality. Maybe the decline would have been delayed or taken different forms, but the general direction was clear, and the fact is that the excesses and the moral bankruptcy of Hitlerism were already manifestations of the rot of a disoriented civilization that was suffering an unprecedented assault by modernity.

Calhoun's "rat utopia" experiment is particularly alarming to me when I think of the future of civilization, even if our side ends up prevailing.

Our overcrowded, pacified technological society is conductive to laziness, complacency and physical as well as spiritual decline. It is conductive to atomization, which facilitates subversion and despotism. Some ingredient is needed to unify this society and its families, giving it a common purpose whose fulfillment requires the maintenance of traditional values and bonds. The crusades reinvigorated Europe and hardened it against Islamic expansion. The colonization of the New World had an even more significant civilizational effect. The American frontier spirit is what made the country great, it is not a coincidence that the US is falling apart and becoming a modern-day servile society as that spirit dissipates. Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are places where the traditional American settler spirit is still more or less alive, however, with time and increasing density there too it will inevitably wither away.

Arguably the organized global judeo-bolshevik assault on white people is starting to play the role of uniting us. What is coming will inevitably toughen white men and make the reaffirmation of natural gender roles necessary. But that is temporary. What comes after that, when order is reestablished and the sense of urgency again disappears?

The terraforming and colonization of other planets has a chance of becoming feasible going forward. A society geared towards expanding beyond Earth would have that missing unifying ingredient. It isn't even necessarily a materialistic purpose. There is no incompatibility between most world religions (incl. Christianity) and space exploration. God has commanded His people to be fruitful and multiply, and there is no better way of doing just that. Why wouldn't God want His children to spread all over the universe He created? For what other reason would He have created such an enormous, beautiful universe, if not for His children to flourish in it?

The elite that would rise to the top in such a society would inevitably be highly intertwined with space expansionism and so would tend to be a virile and highly competent one. It'd be very unlike the Semitic bloodsuckers that rule over us now, who thrive through usury and financial thuggery, the wrecking of the minds of the people through mass media and the vampirizing of retailers, local businesses and distributors. They are the epitome of a decadent society that has lost any higher vision for its future. Think of based father of six children Elon Musk vs. the Jews Bezos and Zuckerberg. 

With tens of millions of families being turned into colonists the frontier spirit would come to dominate the new extraterrestrial society. Europeans have already proved countless times that the frontier is where we can explore our full potential and use all of our creative energy. Colonial Euro societies were characterized by wholesome, strictly traditional families and birth rates unheard of anywhere in the old world. Other peoples don't seem to have that drive towards colonization as much as we do. They move around as slaves or merchants, but rarely as colonists. There's a reason why Euros came to control most of the Earth's surface and settle a huge chunk of it, including inhospitable, alien environments such as Australia, South Africa and Brazil. Of course this future expansion would have to be much more centrally-controlled and well-planned and require much higher technological inputs than past European expansions, that were chaotic and decentralized, but the toughness and dangers of the new environment as well as the hard work that it would require would make the experiences comparable. What do you think?

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That dream died decades ago. Space exploration is something a growing civilization does, not a dying one.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't believe it has been recognized how destructive mass social media has been for society and its role in creating the current chaotic situation. People think of technologies destructiveness through weapons but rarely the social ramifications that new technologies can have. Social media has been completely transformative in the way society functions. Everyone in plugged into this increasingly chaotic spectacle and the distraction seems undermine the ability to escape it.

Social media needs to be taken back to the early forms of the internet when it was more personal or community oriented(forums) as oppose to mass social media culture(twitter culture). Technology then needs to be harnessed for knowledge, exploration, and other beneficial concepts rather than mere distraction technology.

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An interesting poll of children (8-12 years) in the US, UK, and China about their aspirational jobs shows that in the US & UK, about 3x as many kids pick "Vlogger/Youtuber" as the top choice than "astronaut". In China the reverse is true.

Sure, they're kids so maybe don't put much stock in their answers, but you still have to wonder why Youtube looms so large in the minds of 8-12 year-olds. I mean, are 8-year-olds really spending that much time online? Perhaps that's a problem in itself.

[–]Ethnosomniator 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is it.

I'm raising my children specifically to aspire to such aims. This is difficult because society tells them some jobs are better because you get to cash in more. What's considered awesome has been twisted, too.

For instance, nobody "wants" to study law. It's a high prestige job with potentially lots of dough involved. But society is better the less lawyers are involved in anybody's life (while not being savage, of course). The glamour comes solely from jewish propensity for pilpul and their control over hollywood, giving them an outlet to glorify a job that's destroying our society.

My children learn that an astronaut represents the top of the hierarchy because he has to combine diverse skills from the both practical and cutting edge aspects of science, and he employs these skillsets in a dangerous environment under sacrifice, trailblazing our way to the stars. They don't have to become astronauts, of course, but they understand why it's the best and that other professions can be similarly broken down.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

According to polls the youth in the US and the UK want to become vloggers. Young people in China want to become astronauts. That says literally everything.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, I worry about kids growing up in this highly plugged in world. Computers and internet were around when I was a kid but it was different. Internet culture also seems to have a negative effect on memory and attention span along with decreasing real socialization.

I noticed even myself due to amount of time I spend on the internet the past decade have seen my short term memory and attention span completely erode from what it was my youth. I now struggle sitting through a whole movie in 1 sitting and struggle reading for an extended period of time. In fact I even struggle to start a movie or book because I am addicted to the internet and it appeals to my short attention span more. I've been trying to get myself to read more but only occasional pick up the books I'm reading.

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Depends on if we have the will and the resources to achieve it. With the direction things are headed it seems that we're headed towards hell on earth, so maybe the conceptual heaven does really lie in the stars.

I think it's quite apparent that the boost that fossil fuels have given humanity have been spoiled to a large degree.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your post has me going down a bit of a space exploration rabbit hole so wanted to post this here:

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-alcubierre-warp.html

I think a lot of people might be surprised how close we are to many breakthroughs in propulsion tech.

Imagine if Dr. White's team researching advanced propulsion techniques had a massive amount of funding. Think how much money and resources we could invest in new technological breakthroughs without a hostile overclass and a bitter and envious underlclass sucking our nations dry.

To da moon!

[–]Erasmus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will just say that I completely agree with you.

It's in our nature to be explorers, discoverers, inventors. But that nature has been perverted into discovering and inventing new ways to arrange pixels on a screen instead of new ways to advance our people to the stars.

It won't be everyone; most of our people will be busy rewilding Earth to some degree. We'll be living in smaller communities that are more like tribes. Religion will play a much bigger role in our lives. But if you're one of the elite, one of the smartest and strongest and most ambitious young people, you'll start training at a young age for a life beyond Earth. Maybe colonizing the Moon, or terraforming Mars, or building floating colonies in the clouds of Venus, or working on giant VLBI telescopes to bring distant exoplanets into view.

And the more industry we build off-Earth, the more of this planet we can restore to its former wild glory. There will be a natural symbiosis between both ventures, a cosmically female mission to restore fecundity to Earth, complementing a cosmically male mission to turn dead, distant worlds into worlds filled with life and creativity.

I'm sure you've seen this short video before: https://vimeo.com/108650530

It's an animation of various future human beings doing things off-Earth and in space. Flying through the skies of Titan or cliffjumping off the precipices of Miranda. I've always found it inspiring. But watching these figures in their animated spacesuits, one has to ask, "Who are these people?" Aren't they implicitly white? Is this any other race's dream but ours?

In the video, Sagan quotes Herman Melville: "I am tormented by an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas."

This is our dream. These are our people. It's not a coincidence that we are the only people to walk on the Moon, and not once, but six times. Not a coincidence that no one in almost half a century has even tried to go where we have gone. And while China may land there one day soon, the only reason they care to go is because we were there first. They once built the greatest wooden sailing ships known to man, and then sailed them safely around the coasts they knew. We took our wooden galleons and sailed into the unknown.

We will have a lot of challenges to reach that future, but they are challenges we are finally facing, and certainly less dangerous to us than the famines and droughts and plagues we faced in the past. While times may seem dark now, "a society grows great when men build rockets destined for planets they may never see."

[–]Alan_Crowe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Xeno-Archeology

It is possible that planetary civilizations seldom last for long. It may be that the galaxy contains many planets that have had a sapient species and a civilization for a few hundred thousand years, but with hundreds of millions of years in question, civilizations that are close in space may fail to overlap in time. The concept of Xeno-archeology could mean either of two things:

First space aliens turn up. Say a million years in the future. Too late! Human civilization has collapsed. Does evolution have a sense of direction? The absolute question: zero versus non-zero is hard to answer. But if evolution has a sense of direction, it is weak and statistical. After human civilization collapses, humans likely evolve back into animals.

So the aliens have turned up. Their ground penetrating radar shows interesting anomalies. Their away-teams land and dig, excavating the ruins of human cities. What became of the humans? Which of the various chimpanzee and gorilla like species are the degenerated descendants of the builders of the cities? What cultural flaws let it all go horribly wrong? How solid is the culture of the space aliens? They may think that the fate of the humans is an urgent question, because their own culture has cities much like the human cities once were, and culture wars much like the humans experienced. Xeno archeology is a poor source of knowledge about what active measures to take, but it contains time proven knowledge of what one should avoid doing.

Well, that is a bleak vision. Let us turn to the second meaning of xeno archeology. Humans leave Earth and travel to planets orbiting near by stars. An actual encounter with a living alien civilization seems to much to hope for, but it could be us inspecting the planet from space, noticing anomalies, landing and excavating. What do we find in the ruins of ancient civilizations? What knowledge of philosophy and the meaning of life? What did they do right? What did they do wrong? Why did they die out?

When it comes to xeno archeology we want it to be humans wielding trowels on distant planets, not aliens wielding trowels on Earth. That is a double edged aspiration. We aspire to leave Earth and explore the galaxy. We aspire to guess or intuit the vital knowledge of the civilization ending mistakes that we need to avoid. We don't need to guess exactly right, but we need to be close enough to survive. Then we get out there and our ability to survive gets boosted by exploring the ruins of other's earlier civilizations.

Much that is mysterious about the morality and the meaning of life will come into focus once we get out into the galaxy and excavate morality plays, played out to the final conclusion.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great post. Reminds me of that line from Interstellar "We used to look up at the sky and wonder at our place in the stars, now we just look down and worry about our place in the dirt."

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's all well and good, but poses serious issues. Colonies would be difficult and expensive to administer and maintain. Space travel is still way too expensive and specialized, any average Joe can't be a space farmer. We'd also be talking about things decades or more in the making that are very, very delicate.

The question would be: Is it all worth the extreme effort and expense, especially when there would undoubtedly be terrestrial issues to take care of?

[–]DisgustResponse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Fantasy land.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We're White people. Look at what we did in the last century. From a bi-plane to the moon in half a century. All of that was 'fantasy land' as well but we have to think big.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That was when we were growing as a civilization, not dying.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think we're dying. We're definitely on the ropes and things look bleak but we've survived much worse and we'll survive this.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Western civilization as we know it is dying, and that's a good thing. It deserves to die because it's rotten to the core. The point of our movement isn't to save it, but to kill it off faster and build something better in its place. We need a rebirth. You're right that our race will survive, but that's different from our civilization.