The level of gaslighting and gayop-ing needed to sustain this country is actually insane

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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It'll be interesting to see the form the decline takes when Biden finally takes power and the anti-Trump rallying bounce he's having phases away. We're going to have a senile figurehead and a unpopular neoliberal government which half the population won't even see as legitimate and half their own base inevitably splitting and seeking to eventually take ideological control of the Democratic Party. He'll be overseeing a recession and mass unemployment caused by the pandemic most likely seeking to charge his predecessor and trying to implement promised reforms for BLM. And above ALL of this, his government has shown not a single sign it will back down on foreign policy. Ethnically Jewish and "proud liberal internationalist" Antony Blinken, Biden's Secretary of State-to be, is talking about "showing up" in Syria again and we don't know what Biden will do about Afghanistan, Russia, China, North Korea, Turkey, Iraq, Venezuela and any other future foreign conflict, but it's clear the Biden government will want to be going back to good old 1990s-early 2000s of monopower America. It will be especially interesting to see the blowback and potential internal unrest that Biden could cause by adding a high casualty rate, costly military quagmire to all the issues America is facing right now. Basicially, he's Hindenberg (non-radical centrist elected to rule over a decaying state who will attempt one last stand for "moderate politics" to defeat radicalism) but only that Hindenberg wasn't trying to drag Germany into a bunch of pointless wars.

This is why people in the dissident/alt-right/nationalist/Third Positionist sphere need to get serious about organising right NOW. The accelerationist part of me is full of glee, while the rational part of me is worried. The chaos is not ending, it has only just begun and we haven't seen nothing yet.

[–]Nasser 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What can we do to organise?The HOW is the most difficult question for any potential political movement.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Networking. There needs to be the formation of on-the-ground groups of people who live in relatively close proximity. This then needs to be supplemented by a vanguard organisation to provide leadership to enforce discipline and carry a unified message and goal. Usually, the latter actually comes before the former, especially when they don't have the advantage of prior networking. Like previous political movements usually already have existent circles of students or military officers, but frankly I think online networks of more higher level figures could potentially be applied in real life. Significant alt-right leaders need to get together, solve their petty differences and announce the formation of a political movement. This doesn't have to be a political party, it could simply be a loose movement in and of itself. Also it should be able to dynamically organise along social and industrial groups, historically this has been done through labour unions and veteran's associations, to eventually be able to organise vast amounts of society when it has the capability to do so.

There are already some groups in America who have managed some minor political organisation but it is far from enough and far to localised. We have not seen much of the NJP yet but I think they seem to be the most promising so far, although Patriot Front are the most seemingly successful I have seen. Also, the Proud Boys seemingly have some decent organisational skills as they have branches across the country that can organise and engage in direct action. The NJP seem to want to emulate and incorporate the Proud Boys in some way which is even more promising.

The other part of this is that people need to be willingly to conduct some sacrifice. Which is even harder and I don't have answer to how that can be overcome other than some people must be willing to do it first before others join in.

Obviously this is all for only peaceful organisation.

[–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

we don't know what Biden will do about Afghanistan, Russia, China, North Korea, Turkey, Iraq, Venezuela and any other future foreign conflict, but it's clear the Biden government will want to be going back to good old 1990s-early 2000s of monopower America

And the problem with that strategy is that the U.S. military just isn't as powerful as it was back in 2001-2003, when it kicked off the preposterous 'War On Terror.' They are as well funded as ever, armed with an arsenal of gold plated weapons. But thats not what defines a truly powerful military: Rather, it is the human and organisational aspects. Training, leadership, motivation, initiative, culture, etc. These things are all found to be sorely lacking in the current U.S. military. Remember, most of the soldiers who are in uniform today are members of Gen Z. This is a sorry generation of people to draw recruits from. Many of them are mixed race, asexual pushovers who are plagued with mental illness and entitlement complexes. They were raised by by single mothers, which means they lack discipline and fortitude. There is also an apalling epidemic of obesity and physical unfitness among Gen Z, which comes from their addiction to video games and pornography, and their aversion to physical activity and sports.

Biden and his Neocon friends may fantasize about pulling off the same military exploits that Bush & co did during the War on Terror; but they do not have the hard power to succesfully pursue such a strategy. Especially since the Middle East has become a much more competitive theater in the last 20 years. Russia wasn't able to do anything back in Bushs time, because they were still recovering from the collapse of the Soviet Union. Turkey and Iran also weren't a factor, due to various internal problems. If Biden wants to get entangled in the Middle East, it is quickly going to turn into a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Iran has demonstrated a great deal of military ability in recent years. Saudi Arabia is terrified of what they might do in the event of a war.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right but frankly I think they will do it even if it is blindly obvious they don't succeed. America is an incredibly desperate place geopolitically, Europe is drifting away from it, it's basically lost or losing all proxy conflicts it's been engaged in since Bush and its clout in Asia is declining. It's soft power strategy is clearly failing and like you said the world's situation has long since evolved, Russia openly exerts its power by putting a few hundred of its forces wherever and China is buying its way into influence over foreign governments, and the only way I see it can put its money on the table anymore will be using its military.

I personally do think the Iran War is going to happen under Biden, Israel has already made all its own geopolitical preparations and has been in bed with Russia and the EU for a while now as its new replacement guardians so they have nothing to lose from forcing America's hand over Iran into a losing situation. Jewish pressure and urgency in the hawks is going to lead to disaster. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Israel has wanted to deal with Iran for a long time. This might be their last chance to declare war on them, with America as a co-belligerent. Biden is a Zionist stooge just like Trump, but unlike him, he is also a war monger. At the rate things are going, Americas time as a great power is limited. It would not be surprising if Israel has a 'now or never' mindset about their war plans for Iran.

Of course, a major war in the Middle East could have major ramifications for all partys. If there are disruptions to the oil supply, then this would destroy the Petrodollar. If that happens, then a U.S. currency collapse is inevitable.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the rational part of me is worried.

Kill it.