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[–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Keith: Ireland belongs to the Irish. It's inevitable.

Richard: Slogans like this are so trite as to be utterly meaningless. Is Ireland not an independent Republic that derives sovereignty from the populace?

Keith: Ireland is a captured state utterly subservient to international capital and its social agenda. The Irish people already voted overwhelmingly against having Nigerian anchor babies in their country.

What a feud - not. Richard has a habit of calling people out for dumbass comments regardless of their position in or out of the alt-right, and he doesn't mince words. It certainly comes across as abrasive, but I think there's usually substance to his critique, and not mere attention-seeking contrarianism, so I'm glad he's around, even though some of his takes are insane or driven by lust for power. Closing ranks isn't always the best course.

I mean, take apart what Keith is saying. "It's inevitable." Is it really? No, the Irish are losing their fucking nation at a rapid rate. Most western homelands are subservient to international capital, but it doesn't mean the people are enslaved. They can and should spread the truth, convince others, and enact political change that extricates themselves from their unenviable position. That is sovereignty, and it doesn't come unless you take it by force of arms or a silver tongue. The English aren't an occupying force in the year 2021, turn both eyes to the banks instead. Keith seems to understand this, but his original statement was simply wrong.

[–]president_camacho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I mean, take apart what Keith is saying. "It's inevitable." Is it really? No, the Irish are losing their fucking nation at a rapid rate.

You're blaming the guy for being positive and making the case that it should be inevitable. The concern is that people become so demoralized they give up. Woods understands optics, Spencer doesnt.

[–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

He made no such case. The only inevitability is that the Irish will become a minority ethnic group by 2050 if demographic trends continue, at which point their nation will no longer belong to them. Keith himself isn't stupid, and there is a place for positivity. Circling the wagon over a blunt Twitter reply just strikes me as pathetic, as does the obsession with optics. Lawdy me, oh dear, oh my, Richard B Spencer's being a meanie again! We might lose a boomercon from such foul behavior! Quick, someone flush the black pills, it's an emergency!

[–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Circling the wagon over a blunt Twitter reply just strikes me as pathetic, as does the obsession with optics

Obsession with optics? What else is there besides optics at this point? The entire point is to persuade whites of what is happening to them, and to unite them to oppose this. It is all optics. Please explain what else there is?

[–]Dashing-Dove 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Style of optics, then. Seeking to minimize supposed in-fighting. The examples I've seen are weak and barely qualify as such. They're strongly worded disagreements at worst, which I would expect to be welcomed by anyone seeking the truth or best way forward. The level of hypersensitivity on display reminds me of leftist snowflakes. As for normies, obviously don't go around performing a Nazi salute or anything that would provoke an immediate gut level emotional recoil leading to hands over the ears.

With that said, what use are trite expressions like "X nation belongs to Y ethnic group and it's inevitable." No, it isn't, there's no need to even argue. False on the face of it. I would rather rile people up with actual information giving them an "Oh shit, we're losing our country" moment. How bluntly depends on the audience. You'll risk alienating Twitter users with statements like Keith's just as much as by Richard's reply.

I will agree that Keith is by nature more relatable and speaks in a calm way that can pull normies in. Maybe Richard can work on that, if he cares to, but I suspect he's too prideful and internally annoyed over the state of the world to tone down his rhetoric. I don't believe in casting him aside for this, or moving on from him as your original post suggests, because he has value intellectually and doesn't just regurgitate talking points. Being challenged is important for the community.

[–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I totally disagree. Demoralization is the biggest problem. Most normies will side with whoever they view the winning team is, and if you do nothing but whine and moan about how badly you're losing, you will lose. You wont attract new converts and will drive away those you have.

I despise chronic blackpillers. These people have no fortitude. One wonders how their ancestors ever survived hard times. These people would be utterly useless in a civil war. As soon as things started to go against them they would give up.

[–]Dashing-Dove 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Being told your nation will always belong to you inspires complacency. What we're lacking are plans of action to rectify the situation, and the broad public will to see it done. Some inroads can be made politically, and by convincing others. I would suggest the greatest difficulty right now is that people don't understand why demographic change is problematic, and they're unwilling to listen, because it goes against years of social programming. Alerting people to those problems doesn't imply there is no hope to fix them, and it isn't whining. If anything, Keith calling Ireland a captured utterly subservient state would qualify as such, also claiming that the democratic process failed for them and there is no solution. Woe is me, bitch more. Richard's take is that sovereignty depends on the population actually doing something. That's how I read it, anyway.

[–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Woods tweet wasnt inspiring complacency. Do you think anyone that follows his account is in denial about what is going on, and that something must be done with it?

[–]Dashing-Dove 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think anyone following Keith's account is going to be demoralized by Richard calling the tweet trite? At this point, I'm somewhat embarrassed to have used this many words to discuss such a minor exchange.

More broadly, demoralization is absolutely at work by our enemies, and it's a steady barrage to grind us down from every angle. I won't object to assertions of defiance and the suggestion that blood and land are bound, which was Keith's intent, only that it's counterproductive and unnecessary to rail so hard against Richard and so-called countersignaling when the statement he's replying to is dumb and wrong in a literal sense, and while normies will see it and think - "yeah okay buddy, Ireland belongs to all of its citizens." If he were routinely a monkey flinging shit with no substance behind it, I would be a harsher judge.

Nothing is inevitable. You just have to fight like a bastard, and do so intelligently against a system and people that want you eternally silenced. On that, we can surely agree, methodology aside. I'm going to step back now, because I'm tired of defending the man. I don't even follow his fucking Twitter, nor Keith's.