An argument for making a tactical retreat from the US, to Europe.

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[–]Lugger 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm only going to comment on this one, something I've heard a million times yet always found extremely annoying:

a land that is not really our own

If America isn't 'really' a land of the Europeans, then who does it belong to?

Whites who would later become Americans conquered this land and largely cleansed it of the indigenous population.

It belongs to White Americans as much as Anatolia belongs to the Turks or Siberia belong to the Russians.

They shed blood for this land and built it into what it is.

Sadly, however, Americans proved to be too kind to round up all the remaining Amerindians and deport them elsewhere — Mexico, for example, which would have most likely welcomed them with open arms because the Catholic church had viewed the Amerindians as equals and permitted interracial marriage with them ever since the 16th century.

I am used to hearing leftists — and even regular conservatives — say that America doesn't belong to the Europeans, but it surprises me that someone with supposedly Alt-Right views uses the very same argument.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If Europe is largely cleansed of Europeans, and is filled with Africans and Central Asians, is the land no longer ours? Is it African and Central Asian land?

No, we are bound to that land by blood and by fate and will fight for it until the very end. It is ours.

The US was colonized by, planned by, and built by Europeans, but the land that its on is not ours in a more spiritual sense. I empathize strongly with the plight of the native populations that have been displaced and persecuted much like we will be in the coming years. They are the ones who evolved their unique phenotypical traits in accordance with the geography here, not us, and there is no other place that they can lay claim to.

[–]Lugger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If Europe is largely cleansed of Europeans, and is filled with Africans and Central Asians, is the land no longer ours? Is it African and Central Asian land?

If these Africans and Central Asians eradicated the European population and completely crushed the European civilization, repopulating this land with their own people instead, then yes, in this scenario it would be right to call them the masters of Europe.

but the land that its on is not ours in a more spiritual sense

Do you think Turks believe that their land doesn't belong to them? If not, what's the problem with the U.S., except for dozens of years of propaganda about 'muh stolen land' and 'muh poor native americans'?

I empathize strongly with the plight of the native populations as have been displaced and persecuted much like we will be in the coming years.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Gaining land via right of conquest was a standart practise of all human civilizations, and it only started to be viewed as 'uncivilized' after WW2. Amerindians were crushed by a superior civilization and were powerless to prevent it, while what we currently observe in all Western countries — not only the U.S. — is Europeans, guided by the treacherous elites, voluntarily surrendering to the hordes of non-whites and inviting even more of them to leech off their societies.

[–]Divineflechup 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Whatever you are, you aren't an ethnonationlist.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What exactly did he say that is incompatible with ethnonationalism?

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    [–]Lugger 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Africans are completely irrelevant to this question.

    I've never seen anyone claim them to be somehow 'native' to America or that it is 'their land'.

    I can, however, say a few words about your argument:

    Blacks were brought to the New World as tools and should've been sent back, also as tools.

    Ideally, they should not even have been brought there in the first place because:

    1)Slavery wasn't profitable, as far as I remember, the slaves made 91 cents for one dollar (correct me if I'm wrong)

    1.2) Whatever contributions they made were nullified by the Civil War, which was fought over their freedom and cost whites hundreds of thousands of lives, not to mention the economic damage.

    2)It only truly benefitted the rich plantators themselves.

    3)It prevented the South from being as industrialized as the North was.

    4)Slavery is immoral (yeah, given what I've already said, it might be strange to hear that)

    And so on, and so on...

    Anyway, in my book, tools can't lay any claim to the land they were brought to work on.

    You may argue that right now blacks play a pretty large role in the American society, but the fact that they were brought there as slaves means nothing in terms of the land ownership.

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If Europe is largely cleansed of Europeans, and is filled with Africans and Central Asians, is the land no longer ours?

    Yes, it would no longer be ours.

    Nobody has a "right" to any land. "Rights" don't exist. Each race should try to take as much land as it wants.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You could make a case for niggers raping white children with that logic. So fuck your stupid logic.

    Every race deserves a homogenous homeland. You can try to appeal to nature or whatever, but we're not nature, we're humans. You'll quickly think yourself into extinction if you make strength alone a moral justification to do whatever you please.

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You could make a case for niggers raping white children with that logic.

    Saying that there is no objective morality doesn't mean one can't have their own morality. My morality consists entirely of one directive: Do what is in your own interests. It's against my interests to have niggers raping white children, and so I would try to prevent that from happening.

    Every race deserves a homogenous homeland.

    Nobody deserves anything.

    but we're not nature, we're humans.

    Humans are animals just like any other.