In light of all the increased talk about secession

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[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Secession is a good idea but it should not be led by the alt-right. I am far right but I am totally opposed to the alt-right because of their obsession with race. The American Redoubt concept is what I support. If there was a secession of a conservative area, then this new country would be decentralized and I see no reason why white racists couldn't form all white areas within the country. But the country as a whole should be based on conservative values, not race.

[–]antireddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What are conservative values exactly, and in what ways are you "far right"?

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Conservative" can't be strictly defined, but typical conservative values include family values, religious values, personal responsibility and personal liberty, limited government, strong borders, and support for tradition. I am "far right" in the sense that I support these things more than most.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you think the nation should break up, with a "conservative" nation and a "liberal" nation?

I have some questions about this kind of balkanization. What happens if the political views of the "conservative" nation change? How can you have a nation based on these vague poorly defined notions? What if a bunch of liberals want to live in this conservative state solely to subvert it? What exactly would be the immigration policy of this conservative state?

Also, what would this conservative state's views be on the US also breaking into ethnostates, with a black state, hispanic state, and European state along with a liberal and conservative state?

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no perfection in politics. One cannot create a perfect nation. The American constitution is quite good. It's main fault is that it didn't explicity provide states the right to secede.

To answer your other questions... I would support a strict immigration policy. Only those who have a track record of attending conservative religious service should be allowed to immigrate. I would also want some kind of a test for intelligence for immigrants. What happens outside of my nation is none of my business, so I have no problem with ethnostates (like Israel).

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am far right but I am totally opposed to the alt-right because of their obsession with race.

99% of the time people hear about the alt right through Jewish academics or media. They control the framing. A typical frame they use is anyone who is willing to recognize race differences is 'obsessed' with race. Don't fall for it. The alt right is hardly 'obsessed' with race. In fact I think the alt right and dissident right are far more compassionate and nuanced in how they talk about race then previous white nationalist political movements. If there's one thing the alt right is obsessed with it's preserving european traditions, european exceptionalism and exposing the global techno slave state. We talk about race because we aren't afraid of truth.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This doesn't match my experience. I was active on a number of alt-right forums and I was banned from all of them. These people hate free speech and are obsessed with race in my experience.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I respectfully disagree. To prove my point: Who is the most universally loved and revered man in the alt right? (almost nobody dislikes or disagrees with him on most issues)

That's right. It's Jared Taylor.

Here's a clip from an interview. Does this person sound 'obsessed' with race to you?

https://saidit.net/s/altrightwebm/comments/6tjx/jared_taylor_interview_2016_japanese_tv/

[–]AidsVictim69 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Race (genetics) is a central component in informing a individual and especially group behavior. You ignore it at your own peril.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Race is backward-looking genetics. I am interested in future genetics, not past genetics. Racists don't understand this. They don't understand that whatever their race is, it will only decay in a dysgenic culture. Sensible people should form eugenic communities that are designed to select for good genes.

[–]Velocity 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You tried to make a point against eugenics, then continued to make a point for eugenics. You seem a bit confused.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Conservative values, you mean being a breakout pad for the inexorable move to the left. Your talk about race not being important will eventually hit a wall called reality, only by then it will be too late.....