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submitted by ayotollahsinIran from self.debatealtright

How would you view someone who is not white but grew up entirely in white culture?

A lot of people consider middle easterners white. Do you agree? Why or why not?

At what point does someone become white? Both parents white? Only one parent? One white parent and one mixed parent?

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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1) A non-white

2) No, and they don't really. They don't look white, are the historical enemies of Europeans, tend to a different religion, embrace polygamy, and have lower IQs and higher rates of criminality

3) No official threshold with answers usually between 3/4ths and 1/16th. I say 1/8th depending on the race

[–]asterias 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

1) Obviously a non white, but if you ask whether I object his presence, the answer largely depends on numbers and other factors. Are we talking about a single person or about a few millions?

2) There are middle easterns who are whiter than many whites. Middle East is not a homogenous area, especially in countries like Lebanon and Syria, and many of them are Orthodox Christians.

3) Are we talking about a black and a white parent? One could put the question in other ways as well, like at what point does someone become black, or at what point does someone become Indian? Many of these questions wouldn't exist if not for colonialism.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

In response to number 2, skin tone does not make someone ethnically european.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But genes do.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That is what I was implying, there are some north africans and middle easteners who have a very white skin tone but that does not make them european.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, some Turks actually are European.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would not call them european, they are heavily mixed, there were some DNA tests made by turks and the whitest looking ones were around 50% greek.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are minorities that have been living there for more than 2000 years and have managed to preserve their identity.

[–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1: Non-white, simple as that. Unless they are on the border/threshold of being considered White, then I might reconsider. 2: Only if they are white. Pretty obvious ethnic distinction between Arabs and Euros/Caucasians. People like the Armenians are White, people like the Egyptians are (for the most part) not. 3: Depends on the race for me. Especially gets foggy with people like Mestizos that have a lot of White blood in them already, which would force you to get into genetic ethnic heritage. But as for the (unfortunately) common ones, A maximum of 1/8th Black (if not higher) and a maximum of like 1/32nd Jew (And if you're White but convert to Judaism you immediately and permanently lose your claim to being White, in my book)

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People like the Armenians are White

No we're not. We're just Armenians- our "race" is much older than everyone else. There's nothing wrong with that, we have a long proud history that is just separate from you Nordics. We can respect each other and leave it at that, my wife and children are also Armenian because I want my people to proliferate (especially given recent events). And the same logic applies to you and your people and I respect that.

I guess you could argue that we share Indo-European ancestry and are thus much more related than the Semitics (Arabs, Jews, etc) but the Iranians fall in that category too. Frankly, I don't disagree with this line of thought, I've always had 1000x more respect for Persians than every other "Middle Easterner" group.

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How would you view someone who is not white but grew up entirely in white culture?

Individually, but if he's not white then he's not white. Note that in order for this person to grow up entirely in white culture, the people he interacts with must be overwhelmingly white. Growing up isolated in an ethnic enclave in an otherwise super-white country would not count.

A lot of people consider middle easterners white. Do you agree? Why or why not?

I've met some people of Iranian descent who look mostly white. Most don't. Looking the part is essential. Also, I doubt that many ME/NA people see themselves as white in the same way that Scandinavians are white - survey implies that at least 65.5% of ME/NA people do not consider themselves white.

At what point does someone become white? Both parents white? Only one parent? One white parent and one mixed parent?

One must look white, so that white people will recognize him as a coethnic. One must also see oneself as white - there can be no divided loyalties.

Merely looking at immediate parents is sometimes not enough. Compare this guy, whose mother was white, with this guy, who also has a nonwhite parent (so he claims).