Can anyone ere give me a rundown of the situation in the UK?

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Has Johnson done anything on immigration?What is the situation on the channel crossings? What are the numbers on immigration like this year?Are there any percentages on Nationalist support among the British populace?What conservative MP's would you say are Nationalists?What activism has been done?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

1 done his best to keep the floodgates open

2 more by the day

3 no idea on the stats but hundred of illegals are coming in daily and they're being housed in 4+ star restaurants as well as private housing in nice areas

4 what?

5 none of them obviously

6 patriotic alternative and hundred handers have done minor propaganda runs, there was some random normie guy who did a banner over a football match saying 'white lives matter' that made jews extremely mad. for britain and britain first have moved closer to nationalism because patriotic alternative is picking up steam so their benefactors are panicking a bit.

with this said i don't think patriotic alternative will amount to anything due to them seemingly lacking political aspirations. they seem to just want to be a community/social club that goes on hikes and stuff. i hope in the future they start organising in a more serious manner but i dont know if the potential even exists here for a political revolution, the UK has all the benefits of other totalitarian liberal countries in terms of media control and such but we also have laws against militia/paramilitaries, political uniforms, political songs, flags etc. basically there's no way to create a people's movement that threatens the hostile occupation oligarchy legally.

[–]ShiversRussia2017[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Surely some conservative Mp's are Nationalists, what about Northern ones?Maybe they just need pressure and that push to act instead of just trailing the party line.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There's nothing that redeems the tories or labour, they all answer to finance. all of our 'nationalist' parties (ukip, for britain, brexit party, britain first) are also just shills

[–]ShiversRussia2017[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Maybe if you live in a place with a conservative mp, maybe try talking to him?After all, I don't Mp's who represent an area they grew up on in and genuinely want to serve that area all answer to finance.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What would it matter even if they weren't just capitalist shills? They can't do anything to help the local community anyway. My local mp just talks about localism like literally every mp in the country yet none of them do anything.

[–]ShiversRussia2017[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe try putting pressure on and rallying the public to get that mp to basically fight for the people of that areas interests?

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

>laws against political songs

What? Really? It's my first time hearing about a flag restriction as well.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I saw someone talk about the song thing before saying they banned official songs when they did the public order act but I can't find a source on it so I might've been repeating some bs, not sure. Also about the flag thing it's more just about interpretation, having your own symbolism tends to lead to trouble for groups IE National Action. The Public Order Act has been used against regular protest pickets when the people were disrupting capital:

The Public Order Act 1936 was also used extensively against the flying pickets during the 1984/5 miners' strike. The police used it on the grounds of preventing a breach of the peace.

So they basically include the flag or protest signs as political uniform or something, but it's not explicitly banned.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are songs by Ian Stuart banned as well?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No lol it was referring to official party anthems like Comrades of the Voices but I'm not sure if it's true because I can't find a source for it as I mentioned. I just saw someone mention it before when they talked about the public order act designed to oppress the BUF.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems like just another excuse to shut down protests rather than an enforceable legal ban to me.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if there can be any solution at all. Demographics are dismal, these days we think of the UK as being half coloured, and the authorities will gladly use upon the citizens the same techniques they used elsewhere in the past.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Britain is probably the country in the worst position. Sweden at least has some anti immigration consensus brewing and has the NRM. The rest of Western Europe has strong nationalist movements. Canada, US and Australia are huge countries with room for secession.

The UK is just fucked

[–]ShiversRussia2017[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How can that be changed?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Organizing in secret, first winning over the white proles and then snagging a critical number of white bourgeois. Then began non-compliance movements and PACs, alternate media, legal defense funds and lobbying groups. Then once you have a sufficient support network, field a party. Just making a party accomplishes nothing. The support structure is key

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Brit here, even though I currently reside in Ireland.

Has Johnson done anything on immigration? Yes. It's increasing under him, just as it's done under all Tories since 2010.

Boris Johnson and his cabinet are immigration liberals, even more so than Cameron/May and Tony Blair back in the day. Boris's government are introducing the new "points-based system" after Brexit, which sounds tough and exciting to low-information voters, but it's actually a liberalisation of existing (non-EU) immigration policy.

You probably heard about the Hong Kong thing? Up to one million Hong Kong citizens are estimated to flood the UK over the next 5+ years.

Also. Remember when Charlie Kirk said something along the lines that foreign students should have a green card stapled to their diploma? Boris Johnson has pretty much done that in Britain. Many of them never go home anyway, but foreign students are allowed to stay in the country for 2 years after graduation.

What is the situation on the channel crossings? Tbh, I don't know and don't care to check. It's hundreds a day, but it's a trickle compared to other types of immigration. The people fixating on the issue like the usual civnat/Brexiteer pundits (e.g. Nigel Farage) are just throwing red meat to the crowd.

If you're interested in this, check out the Migration Watch Twitter. They report on it regularly. https://twitter.com/MigrationWatch

What are the numbers on immigration like this year? https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

715,000 people moved to the UK and 403,000 emigrated; in other words, net migration for the year ending March 2020 was 313,000.

Net migration for non-EU nationals (mostly third world immigration): 316,000 Net migration for EU nationals: 58,000

This will probably piss off any Bulldog Nats and even certain British ethnonats who come on here, but I'll say it anyway: Brexit is a fucking joke and you've been duped by a huge distraction. Call me an FBPE Remoaner or whatever. Brexit is not and never was a nationalist victory. For all the faults with the EU, it is preferable to what's coming. Richard Spencer was right.

Britain is about to be flooded by (more) South/East Asians and Africans. Thank God there's fewer Slavic plumbers and warehouse workers coming in, though, amirite?

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Forgot to reply to the rest.

Are there any percentages on Nationalist support among the British populace?

Look up We Were Never Asked on YouTube/Bitchute by Laura Towler.

The people involved with Patriotic Alternative conducted a large study all over England asking White Britons if they were aware of and OK with racial replacement. The majority are not, to sum it up.

In the past, parties like the BNP and UKIP have received millions of votes. UKIP in the 2015 general election (but returned no seats because of first past the post, there is no PR in the UK) and BNP, an ethnonationalist party, in the 2010 Euro Parliament elections. Nick Griffin won a seat.

What conservative MP's would you say are Nationalists?

Absolutely none. They're all globalists. There are probably card-carrying members of the Conservative Party who are secret ethnonationalists and are hoping to subvert the party, but it is a fruitless task. Rest assured, they'd be purged from the party if their views were ever known.

What activism has been done?

Patriotic Alternative do a lot of activism. Laura Towler and Mark Collett run the party and are close contacts with other dissident right figures such as Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, etc.

https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/

It's the only ethnonationalist organisation in the so-called "far-right" that has any traction. All the other nationalist parties are civnat/Zionist.