Leftists and non-conformity

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Leftists have a weird relationship with non-conformity. It's actually hard for me to pin down, so the best I can do is share some fragments of ideas I have.

It's seems at certain times they promote non-conformity, but when conformity suits their ends, they demand it of everyone. This is mostly seen in political issues.

On a personal or lifestyle level, many leftists subscribe to non-conformity as "liberating". But A) they ultimately are conformists themselves and B) non-conformity is usually creates problems for people, as humans are a social being and there is little benefit to being an outsider.

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[–]masterclass 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They are total conformists that like to larp as nonconformists. They are in total denial about it.

To understand this you have to understand what they all conform to and who holds power in this country. Multinational corporations and a mostly jewish oligarchy hold power, particularly in media, and modern leftists do their bidding and conform to their expectations, which allows for faux non conformism, so long as this is directed at those they dont fully control, such as local police. They do control the courts In many areas though, and the higher up the court chain you go the more powerful their control, which is why leftist battles with police go largely unpunished.

What they mainly rebel against is traditional western christian morality and white identity, which suits the corporations and oligarchy just fine, as they are also largely hostile to these things because they advocate restraint and moderation and because Jews are hostile to them.

[–]VarangianRasputin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's basically just individualism. Humans as a species are incapable of pure individualism as Egoists like to believe. They believe their own individualism is against the system, when in fact it was already capitalized upon by Capitalists and used in their marketing schemes. It's a weird phenomenon.

I've met individualists who were honest enough to admit that they too were subjected and effected by external forces, as is everyone, and do their best to keep track of it, and try to realize when it's happening if possible, but most of these Liberals genuinely believe they're pure individuals who are fighting against us "evil collectivists" who are just "brainwashed lunatics".

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Read Ted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm

28 The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of society. Generally speaking, the goals of today’s leftists are NOT in conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle. Examples: racial equality, equality of the sexes, helping poor people, peace as opposed to war, nonviolence generally, freedom of expression, kindness to animals. More fundamentally, the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. All these have been deeply rooted values of our society (or at least of its middle and upper classes [4] for a long time. These values are explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the material presented to us by the mainstream communications media and the educational system. Leftists, especially those of the oversocialized type, usually do not rebel against these principles but justify their hostility to society by claiming (with some degree of truth) that society is not living up to these principles.

30 We certainly do not claim that leftists, even of the oversocialized type, NEVER rebel against the fundamental values of our society. Clearly they sometimes do. Some oversocialized leftists have gone so far as to rebel against one of modern society’s most important principles by engaging in physical violence. By their own account, violence is for them a form of “liberation.” In other words, by committing violence they break through the psychological restraints that have been trained into them. Because they are oversocialized these restraints have been more confining for them than for others; hence their need to break free of them. But they usually justify their rebellion in terms of mainstream values. If they engage in violence they claim to be fighting against racism or the like.

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Best description of leftist psychology ever written.

Also see The System's Neatest Trick by Ted in which he goes into more detail on this point that leftists are really upholding the system when they believe they are rebelling against it.

[–]lithre 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Damnit you beat me to it

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is less about non-conformity, which they usually subscribe them to just to make themselves more 'appealing' in a social sense, and more about widening conformity to be more accepting of certain activities (usually to the point where the new activities often force more traditional ones in the position of obscurity). Actual "non-conformity" is rare and the most real non-conformists (in my opinion) are people like Diogenes and Ted Kaczynski, people who do not truly care about their own social standing or welfare.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Leftism = bad for whites = good

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their 'non conformity' is just a virtue signal of support for the anti white anti christian technocrat world order. They are conditioned to think traditional christian morals and values still control society. Their 'rebellion' is just hate towards their fathers manifested across all societal expressions of patriarchy and masculinity.

What many of them are unaware of is that everything is flipped. They are really just hyper conformists terrified of going against the grain of social consensus. They embrace a feminine world view that operates on fear of ostracism. Much like a women living in a small tribe that could easily kick her out to starve in the wilderness. The modern leftists live their life day to day terrified that they will starve if they are kicked out of the cool kids over socialized indoor cat club.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Conformity isn't the issue. You can conform or not as you wish, but neither is an excuse to be persecuted or persecute someone else.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Leftists will pretend that they adamantly believe one thing and the next moment they will be dogmatic about the exact opposite. Frankly they are so disturbed that it's impossible to have a logical conversation with them. Which is why they often end up killing each other.

Not that rightists are really better, as they adhere to a logic of profit and self-interest, but they can't say it outward so they try to cover this with whatever excuse.

[–]lithre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ted talks about this. This "lack of individualism" masqueraded by pseduohyperindividualism.