The Cause Behind Black Violence is Impulsivity

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Impulsivity is the tendency to act without foresight. It has been associated with many psychiatric disorders, including addictions, attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), bipolar disorder and personality disorders such as borderline personality disorder (BPD) and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). The fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (text revision) also identifies a group of psychiatric illnesses that are collectively defined as impulse control disorders not elsewhere classified. These include intermittent explosive disorder (IED), pyromania, kleptomania, pathological gambling and trichotillomania. Finally, impulsivity is associated with suicidal behaviour, aggressiveness and with certain forms of criminality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3638385/

I strongly believe this is the primary cause, and not a violent gene itself or a 'warrior gene' as I've seen mentioned. Therefore, theoretically, ADHD medication (in those small amounts) should also benefit and reduce their impulsivity which will reduce crime. If anyone would like to debate me on this topic feel free.

The hypothesis was that methylphenidate would acutely reduce impulsivity and increase attentional behavior relative to the placebo condition.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5116269/

Stimulants have been known to improve cognition in healthy individuals as well. But to a far less degree than what is seen in unhealthy individuals such as those suffering from ADHD symptoms.

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[–]AFutureConcern 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What are the rates of the impulsivity-linked disorders (ADHD, Bipolar, BPD, ASPD) among the black population versus white?

What is the correlation of impulsivity with criminality, and which types? How closely are they linked?

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

As for the first question, due to issues in the black/minority community, related to poverty or various other reasons, they are diagnosed less regardless of whether they need the treatment. Which means statistically, these current rates looking at what is diagnosed won't do justice to the reality of this issue.

Yet, not all groups of children are equally likely to be diagnosed and receive treatment. Racial/ethnic minorities in particular have been reported to be diagnosed with ADHD at lower rates than white children,7 and therefore may have unmet treatment needs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691530/#:~:text=Children%20who%20are%20African%20American,been%20reported%20to%20be%20underdiagnosed.&text=Less%20is%20known%20about%20diagnosis,children%20of%20other%20races%2Fethnicities.

As for the last question, raw impulsivity isn't quantified well so a specific correlation with criminality itself can't be found, however, we can see they are closely linked in general.

The group averages for performance on the three components of impulsive behavior are represented in Figure 1. IMT performance (response initiation) was significantly different between the three groups (F2,90 = 10.57, p <.001). Follow-up comparisons indicated that the Control group performed less impulsively than both the Childhood-onset (p <.001) and Adolescent-onset (p =.002) groups, which did not differ from one another (p =.351). GoStop performance (response inhibition) also showed significant differences between the three groups (F2,90 = 7.69, p =.001). In this case, follow-up comparisons indicated that the Childhood-onset group performed more impulsively than both the Control (p <.001) and Adolescent-onset (p =.017) groups, which did not differ from one another (p =.286). Finally, performance on the TCIP (consequence sensitivity) also revealed a significant group difference (F2,90 = 3.26, p =.043). Follow-up comparisons indicated the Adolescent-onset group performed more impulsively than both the Control (p =.043) and Childhood-onset (p =.017) groups, which did not differ from one another (p =.803).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279729/

http://medcraveonline.com/FRCIJ/FRCIJ-05-00144.pdf

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As for the first question, due to issues in the black/minority community, related to poverty or various other reasons, they are diagnosed less regardless of whether they need the treatment. Which means statistically, these current rates looking at what is diagnosed won't do justice to the reality of this issue.

You are unlikely to be able to make a strong case in favor of this hypothesis, in this case. Are there any other lines of evidence that point to higher impulsivity among blacks?

As for the last question, raw impulsivity isn't quantified well so a specific correlation with criminality itself can't be found, however, we can see they are closely linked in general.

Without an explicit definition and quantification, impulsivity is subject to the "postmodern dodge" - redefining the term under your feet so it doesn't apply to blacks; for example, defining impulsivity as "culturally relative" and then "adjusting" for cultural factors, meaning stereotypical impulsive black behavior will not count as "impulsivity".

It does look like the link between impulsivity and criminality is pretty solid, though.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are there any other lines of evidence that point to higher impulsivity among blacks?

Yes,

European Americans had higher initial levels of (β = 0.22, p < .001) and greater growth in sensation seeking (β = 0.16, p < .05) compared to African Americans. However, African American children had higher initial levels of impulsivity compared to European American children (βs = −0.27 and −0.16, p < .01).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3463755/

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Anyone who is a racial realist knows Blacks are more impulsive than other races and this is part of the reason they commit so much crime. It's not an either/or between some 'warrior gene' and impulsivity. Impulsivity and time preference are essential to understanding why they behave the way they do. I don't even understand the point of your post. Is it better if the explanation for why they are such shitbags that they're more impulsive rather than have a 'warrior gene'? How so?

Also how would it change the fact that I don't want to live around these impulsive people who can't think ahead and don't consider consequences whatever the explanation is?

(BTW as a kid who was put on those horrible fucking drugs like Dexamphetamine I can tell you it isn't a solution to anything and I will debate you on that. Short term solution with incredibly severe long term consequences.)

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Is it better if the explanation for why they are such shitbags that they're more impulsive rather than have a 'warrior gene'? How so?

Yes, because low-dose stimulants would reduce their crime in this case. Therefore we have a treatment that doesn't require some kind of genetic modification which is impossible at this time.

Also how would it change the fact that I don't want to live around these impulsive people who can't think ahead and don't consider consequences whatever the explanation is?

For the reason I mentioned above. Treatment would solve that issue.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you want to have a racially specific program of giving Blacks low doses of stimulants to curb their impulsiveness? Well why the fuck are you telling us you lunatic?

If Dexamphetamine is some kind of magic Soma for Black people then go talk to them. It isn't and obviously you clearly know nothing about how stimulants of that kind actually work. You never, over time, take a small dose and you never get the same result from the first dose that you do from the second but if you're prescribing that blacks need to be medicated on a mass scale then TALK TO THEM. Why are you talking to a WN about this? I can't medicate them.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You never, over time, take a small dose

False. The brain structure changes for the better with long-term treatment, at least has been seen in those with ADHD behaviors. Which I'm arguing, since blacks on average suffer from impulsivity as you also mentioned and basically every symptom of ADHD that comes with that, it could potentially fix the issue.

Long-term treatment with methylphenidate seems to be safe and effective for the management of ADHD behaviors

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10197827/#:~:text=Conclusions%3A%20Long%2Dterm%20treatment%20with,mild%20to%20moderate%20tic%20disorder.

Ironic because it's clear you haven't done any research yourself. You wouldn't use dexamphetamine, as amphetamines are typically more neurotoxic than dopamine reuptake inhibitors (methylphenidate) which typically aren't neurotoxic at all.

and you never get the same result from the first dose that you do from the second

Just say tolerance for christ sake.

Why are you talking to a WN about this? I can't medicate them.

There aren't many other groups I can debate this issue with.

[–]AFutureConcern 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem with proposing something like this to "close the racial gap" is that what you're doing is essentially no different from affirmative action and there is no end to your program.

If medicating people to prevent violence is a good idea, why not apply it to all men? After all, men are significantly more violent than women. Why not give the weak, steroids, or the ugly, facelifts? And once medical science has been employed to equalize all groups' natural tendencies, we'll find something else to differentiate each other by, and you'll go on trying to dissolve that, too.

The real question is, why do you mind that group differences exist in the first place? If we get people to accept administering different drugs to different groups, we've already got people to accept that groups are different, and that's the big challenge in the first place. White people won't accept being discriminated against in admissions forever, and blacks won't accept being drugged to repress their nature forever. If only they'd accept that groups are different, and they could live with group inequality. Removing the inequality doesn't actually solve the problem.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If medicating people to prevent violence is a good idea, why not apply it to all men?

Well, you wouldn't medicate someone if they didn't need it. The threshold for what someone needs in this case we can see that impulsivity in blacks does need treatment to match the population we consider healthy. Whites are treated this way, at least those with ADHD. The difference is other people won't be paying for it, but it would simply be a recognized treatment for impulsive behavior in general.

White people won't accept being discriminated against in admissions forever, and blacks won't accept being drugged to repress their nature forever. If only they'd accept that groups are different, and they could live with group inequality. Removing the inequality doesn't actually solve the problem.

I'd say that living with those inequalities and crime in their community is a worse scenario than receiving the same treatment ADHD individuals do.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When I was still alt lite I was looking for solutions like this. My brain was in the, "if we are stuck with these people how do we make living with them easier and safer?" I think a LOT of civnats like Tucker Carlson are still in this space and I'm on the other side now: we can't live with these people and we should totally halt the Sisyphean drudgery. The only way to co-exist with non whites is to have the dominate cultural, legal, military, genetic and physical presence over them OR complete and total separation from them. In fact providing stimulants would only make them marginally more tolerant and thus more likely to mix into our gene pool and dilute our people out of existence. So I respect that you are coming from a compassionate and logical place but I think the ultimate outcome of your proposal is dangerous to us.

If the government implemented something like this it would be called racist even though it might slightly improve the lot of blacks. Liberal society would never implement such a plan because it would assume racial differences. It would especially be used as political fodder to accuse whites of eugenic goals (and in that case the left would be correct).

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A good economic argument is why should other people have to pay for a program like that anyway? You'd think this would be a sufficient argument for economically-minded people.

Also, the harmful consequences of that geographic proximity should be enough to convince "victim" classes (women, LGBT, etc.) that this is an issue they should strongly consider deliberating on.

[–]marc_gee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's also the deep narcissism blacks have where any slight perceived disrespect makes them irate, especially if it's from whites.

Racial differences in narcissistic tendencies https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656611000912

"Black participants reported higher levels of narcissism than White participants. ► The association between pathological narcissism and poor psychological adjustment was especially strong for Black individuals."

[–]Albatros 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why should we even invest time in solving problems of the black community? They have their own problems, let them deal with them. We should focus on our survival and well-being.