Richard Spencer in the news again, for endorsing Biden/disavowing Trump (x-post from Ruqqus)

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Richard Spencer is back in the news after a long absence for tweets he made in support of Joe Biden and against Trump and conservatives. Idiots like Dinesh D'Souza are lapping it up because "Democrats Are the Real Racists", while the usual media imbeciles are happy to trot him out to say "See? Even the racists are abandoning Trump."

The gist of Spencer's view seems to be that Trump is a failed President and that MAGA and the alt-right are dead-end brands that have achieved nothing and have only succeeded in provoking the left to wipe us off the planet. The Democrats by contrast can be expected to be competent managers who will be able to suppress the riots, and advance common goals like socialized healthcare and economic relief for poor Midwestern/Appalachian whites. A Trump defeat and return to liberal rule would defuse some of the culture war tension, giving some breathing room for dissident thinkers to cultivate a new movement.

What are your thoughts?

I disagree with Spencer that a Biden victory would reduce the pressure on the dissident right. I expect the new administration to be absolutely punitive. I also expect the Republicans to purge the MAGA/America First holdouts, and will treat the Trump era as a bad dream, as they return to a policy of warmongering neoliberalism. You also have to consider that Spencer is still being squeezed by lawsuits from Charlottesville and he might be getting groomed for a Heimbach turn...

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    [–]Aureus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I disagree that a Biden victory would reduce the pressure on the dissident right. I expect the new administration to be absolutely punitive. I also expect the Republicans to purge the MAGA/America First holdouts, and will treat the Trump era as a bad dream, as they return to a policy of warmongering neoliberalism.

    I'm 100% with OP on this. Trump losing would be terrible. I think RS is either trolling here or just seeking attention.

    [–]OnlyforR 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I cannot think of this as anything but a cope. Right-wing dissidents are losing so badly they are finding increasingly contrived ways of interpreting losses as victories. Democrats might be competent managers if you think shilling out even more money for BLM and diversity training constitutes good management.

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Right-wing dissidents vote for a life-long democrat Zionist who is pro-Likudnik, appoints Israel first trotskyist communists and is totally kosher.

    [–]asterias 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I'm not familiar with Richard Spencer but I find this schizophrenic. Obviously Trump didn't achieve much but this will probably be much worse.

    [–]Ethnosomniator 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Who knows? Trump has been absolutely aweful while empowering the left. THere has never been that much chaos, willful aggression and rightwing cucking while at the same time gifting a certain middle eastern state everything. How could a third Obama term have been worse? And why pander to the republican platform who is our biggest enemy?

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    He is an agent and degenerate.

    [–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I mean, on the one hand, I can 100 agree with some of the logic here. But the problem is Biden and Harris have espoused repeatedly their intentions to disarm "extremists" (read: "right wingers" and "racists" like they perceive us to be), criminalize our speech, and investigate us without cause for being "domestic terrorists". As much as I dislike Zion Don, he is basically necessitous to the continuation of this movement in America. Biden and Harris and a subservient GOP will scare away our silent supporters or those interested in us. And besides, his do-little attitude is almost a Godsend: He pushes his own people and liberals alike towards us by letting the rioters and looters attack their friends and peaceful MAGAtards alike. His inability to fight black crime and Democrat's outright support/defense of it will force tons of people to us. 4 more years of Trump will strengthen us and weaken everyone else.

    [–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I will never understand the alt right's addiction to socialized healthcare. The Democrats are going to turn it into an arm of the police state. You think they won't ban 'racists' from getting medicare? Once they dismantle the filbuster anything goes and we'll get butt blasted by the gov

    [–]Ethnosomniator 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    It's a straightforward argument and it results from two observations:

    -everyone except Whites already enjoy de facto free healthcare, free housing, free edumacation, free...

    -the obsession with free markets has been also very damaging to western societies, partly because it's intellectual gatekeeping, partly because it suggests false information. Markets are never free in reality and less and less people can make reasonable choices in an unreasonable world.

    So why not give Whites finally something nice? That's what politics are about to a large degree and especially so in a multiethnic society.

    [–]Mr9to5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This was one of my real points of entry to the “Dissident Right” during the Tea Party days. I saw this country being overrun and the biggest financial crisis in my lifetime - and all those knuckleheads who were scared of being labeled raaascist could rally against was “socialism.” It did not impress me to stay on the “Conservative” plantation.

    [–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I've already said why because it will be used against us. They'll raise our taxes to pay for it and then ban us from using it

    [–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The point is we are for it in our own controlled country because we care about our people... Your argument makes no sense, if we were to have power there would be no anti-whites in power to "use it against us".

    [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Saw that this morning. Pretty funny. It's obviously a joke. "Liberals are clearly more competent."

    You can make your own here https://avatar.joebiden.com/

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1297784110719463424/photo/1

    Pretty good troll job.

    [–]Mr9to5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    He was hinting at a third party run last year. In that regards, I think he chose the smarter approach between this and that. If he had run under these bizarre conditions, even a slight impact could lead to him being blamed for Trump losing (whether it makes sense or not.) A Spencer run (or similar event by, for example, National Justice) would be a great organizing and networking opportunity- but better when things are at their bluest. Less will stand to be lost and more will be ready to be recruited.

    This is a great self-promotional move because as you alluded, everyone will stand up to badmouth it to make themselves look good. Personally, I wish we could recruit out of the Left/run as Democrats, particularly if we could pull resources from the Woke world by winning a place in the DNC - but in all likelihood it’s too damn unrealistic.

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      [–]bug-in-recovery 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      I disagree.

      Trump is like a pressure relief valve that tricks normiecons and even many dissident right folks into thinking we aren't getting BTFO.

      [–]Aureus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      What do you predict will happen if Biden gets elected?

      [–]bug-in-recovery 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      We will continue to lose, but hopefully right wingers will actually understand it's happening, unlike now.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      What is?

      [–]bug-in-recovery 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The losing.

      Right now we're continuously being fucked over, but most of the right wingers don't see it because they think Trump is actually fighting for us.

      If Biden is elected, my hope is that now when we get fucked over they actually understand it's happening since they don't the the Trump security blanket to hide under.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Nothing. Biden and Trump are both crony Zionists who care about their shareholders and becoming the EO of a corporation than they do about anything else.

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        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Trump is delegitimizing the state and exposing elite powerbrokers.

        Is he now? Lol.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Lol, Trump isn't destabilizing crap. He is a ZioCon and following a script.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Classic move by a ZioCon. Get the alt-right to think he really wasn't alt-tight so that they think Trump might actually not be a ZioCon.

        We all know both candidates are ZioCons.