Russia has a knife to the throat of globohomo: the threat of Russian submarines to the internet

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from (self.debatealtright)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhAaFXyy9rU

Honestly this is one thing I never considered in the past. The undersea cables are bedrock of the global internet and the US is most vulnerable. The US has much less physical wealth now, like industry or machinery. Its mostly based on ephemeral financial wealth.

The entire globohomo banking and financial system is dependent on the internet and the stock markets and finances of the FIRE sector would evaporate overnight without the internet. This goes manyfolds for tech companies like Google, Amazon, Twitter and Facebook.

If the world internet went down, the US economy would collapse in days. Russians and even Europeans being less financialized and more industrialized would be far less hurt. The FIRE sector comprises nearly 20% of US GDP.

Russia has a large fleet of submarines, nuclear and non-nuclear, around 60 I think. They might not even need to use nukes to take out the cables, just regular torpedo barrages would do the trick. Its impossible for the US navy to guard the whole length of the wires.

Mussolini said that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, the less freedom it has.

I'd add that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, the more fragile it becomes. In the middle ages if a city was destroyed or one province was ravaged, society would not collapse. Most regions were largely self sufficient.

With the dawn of industrialization and supply chains, the destruction of industries or infrastructure threatened to stall the economy. However early industry was not complex and could be quickly rebuilt or the needs fullfilled by other means.

With greater advancements, as industry became more interconnected, it became more vulnerable. Reading about the allied bombing of Germany gives a good idea about this. The bombing of factories making electrical and mechanical parts sabotaged German aircraft and tank production in turn. Destruction of railways often stalled entired parts of the economy.

Now with the internet age, its even more fragile and the dependency is far greater

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, Joseph Tainter wrote about civilisations collapsing when they become too complex. The level of technology we have now allows us to maintain complex society because we have instant communication, fast travel etc. Knock those out and you immediately have nothing holding this together, you have immediate collapse.

I don't think Russia is planning on this though, they have been moving away from paper to internet in terms of all of their administrative work. They're moving more and more 'on the grid' so to speak, I can't imagine they're going to go sicko mode to try to fuck the whole world in honour of Linkola or something lol.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe even Marx discussed this idea.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In response to a war they could in retaliation

[–]VarangianRasputin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't think anybody will deny that Society is hanging on by a thread. It's just coming up with solutions to it that causes the problem, because it seems to me the only way to undo the so-called 'progress' of technology would be to trigger a scenario like you described and recreate hunter-gatherer society. The problem is that there is no way we could ever get the masses to give up technology willingly. As ideal as it is, the people aren't going to give up their toys.

Safe to say, some disaster, accidental or intended is inevitable. Thankfully, we have over 2000 years of history, and natural instinct showing us how to live without technology.

[–]Hadza 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's no evolutionary trait that can save humanity from an asteroid but technology

[–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What are the chances of an asteroid hitting us anyway?

[–]Hadza 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More than I'd like them to be, that's for sure. If you want a 100% predictable deadline for humanity, it's in about ~150 mln years when the Sun heats us up to uninhabitable conditions. Sure, sounds like a lot of time, but compared to what we could extend that for, settling for that would be selling ourselves short. After all, how do we know we're not the only shot at sentient life in the Universe? The Universe still has questions for us to answer and dying prematurely may leave those stones forever unturned

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    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can keep independent/decentralized technology while shedding complex social structures. No reason for solar panels, 3d printers, etc to stop working and being used. Tho it could become difficult to fix aging tech if that happened.

    [–]Hadza 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Or maybe it should’ve been developed to be left behind and let its perils be known

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If ecological collapse doesn't happen, which I highly doubt, then technology will certainly get us. Within a few decades we're going to be living in a world where a single individual is going to be capable of creating insane WMDs from a basement. This is mainly because of the nanotech - and biotech - revolution that's around the corner. Anyone who thinks governments are going to be able to control this is simply delusional. And that's if AI doesn't wipe us out before all of this. The Californian Ideology can only lead to our utter destruction. The techno-utopians of Singularity University will end up creating a Kaczynskian dystopia.

    [–]davidpicture 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    this sounds like schizophrenic nonsense

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Only to people who are ignorant.