Would it be fruitful to a line and work with Black Separatists?

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Ie the Not Fucking Around Coalition or the New Black Panther party?

Alot of you will probably say fuck no due to their obvious hatred of us but think about the benefits. If we directly reached out with established connections with these groups and if we helped them acquire significant influence(in secret of course). It would lead to:

1.Increased white consciousness and support for Nationalism due to the fear these augmented groups would bring.

2.Dividing the Left. African Americans are the biggest voter block for the Democrats, if say 10-30+ of Black voters were siphoned off towards these groups, it would cripple the Left and likely trigger infighting.

3.Increased Instability and it would highlight the hypocrisy of the media even harder as they climb over each other to defend these violent groups while condemning White Nationalistic groups.

  1. It may lead to the authorities being distracted from us or atleast having to split resources to monitor the growing Black Nationalist, this would probably give us some breathing room.

How could we support them? Black Americans are allowed to preach Nationalism and have a high in group preference. We could support Black Nationalism and separatism through financial support,advisory support, promotion etc. We can highlight that the majority of the major cities they reside are Democrat run and how the party if white controlled opposition and so on.

What would we offer them in order to court their favour?

I would propose we offer them the states of Louisiana,Mississippi,Alabama,Georgia and South Carolina. These states are set to be plurality black by the 2040s and contain the majority of the US black population. This may seem like alot of territory to give up but it really isn't when you consider the US is continent sized. For the whites in these states, their fates would be up to the Black Nationalists in charge. They would have free access to the North and would be encouraged to migrate. I also would propose giving Black Nationalists power over Cook county,Wayne County and Baltimore .

I think this plan would be worth it.

And now I'm fucking banned, can we make a petition to remove sendnastystuff as head mod?

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[–]Mr9to5 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IRL, there’s a direct correlation between how LARPy and useless a Nationalist group is and their public advocacy of this. Why?

  • Big reason is it doesn’t reflect how power works. We have the best funded, most high tech, heaviest manpower system in the world against us, even when we are utterly pacifistic. The people against us could have Federal law enforcement raid your house for frivolous charges or print millions of dollars with no backing.

Having a BBQ with some costumed clowns that aren’t even at least OUR costumed clowns is about as far from a solution as it gets. Black nationalists are beyond irrelevant to the clash of world powers that’s going to happen over this century. I’d rather we sent a care package to every computer programmer in the country to try to win their hearts.

Drawing lines on a map isn’t real, so how we’d divide America up is silly talk without tens of millions of us. We might as well declare Thailand our ethnostate, it’ll never get implemented.

  • Any black nationalist group associated with white backers loses credibility. Any group we’d try to co-opt would get laughed out.

The closest thing to a white co-opting of a BN group to succeed was Scientology basically forming a strategic partnership with the Nation of Islam to push courses on their members. This is basically cult leaders uniting to rip off their flock.

Rockwell did have a photo-op with NOI, if that’s what you’re thinking of as proof for a basis of this. He died shortly afterwards and Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan both outlived him by many years, denouncing “racist whites” long after he was gone. Pretty dismal outcome.

  • We don’t need more black Republican “Democrats are raaacist” junk. It’s only going to drag us down. I don’t care about Chicago or the similar city I left, in fact I hope they’re crap because they’re filled with crappy people. I care about where I live.

Black nationalist biographies are good sources perhaps for role models in leadership and that’s it.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ie the Not Fucking Around Coalition or the New Black Panther party?

Not with Jewish shabbos-nog groups no.

Being friendly with groups that oppose Jewish power isn't a problem though.

[–]Sonofzeus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Black separatist groups can’t be trusted even after negotiation. On top of this, their chaotic nature would surely blow up in our faces and impede tactics/plans at some point. It’s a military faction composed of people who have the demeanor of children. You might as well ally with orcs.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A complete waste of time. It is more productive to advance your groups power than forming alliances with the opposition. The more power a group has the better terms of negotiation or means of accomplishing the ideal vision. Your vision is far from the ideal, The most ideal vision for the United States is to take back the continent of North America for Whites and deport most non-whites back to their homelands. Native Americans will live in semi-autonomous territories with less tax funding and cultural interference. Pacific island territories and states will no longer be a part of the United States outside of trade and military outposts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Our situation requires compromise in order for us to succeed. That ideal vision is a fantasy. I personally cannot ever support the mass deportation of millions of people to a foreign land where most likely die or suffer greatly. I support balkanisation. African Americans get the areas I mentioned. Latinos get 2 thirds of California,Arizona,New Mexico, and half of Texas and Asians get the rest of California and Southern Oregon. Natives will have their reservations expanded, be given most of Alaska and Eastern Oklahoma. This Balkanisation can either be through expanded autonomy or complete independence decided by referendum.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'm not alt-right but I can't support them. I think blacks should be sent back to Africa where they belong.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

not alt-right

deport all blacks

sigh what are you then

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Not sure

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What are your reservations to the label? JC

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

All kinds of things. The biggest is probably the alt-right about the JQ and I'm also not anti-war.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not being anti-war? That's hardly a good reason. It's true the alt-right is more isolationist than neocons - buts that's a low bar

JQ on the other hand, that matters to some extent but not relevant for this post. You should post on JQ if youre curious/want to "debunk"

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's true the alt-right is more isolationist than neocons - buts that's a low bar

Are we though? If our guys took power in America and declared the whole North African continent belongs to the new America would people have a problem with this? I doubt it. I think people only care about war because it's war for Jews.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am neither curious nor want to debunk that subject.

I think being anti-war or not is a big thing.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am neither curious nor want to debunk that subject.

Are you Jewish?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not to my knowledge

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Label averse. Lots of these guys will deny any descriptor that has a negative connotation, regardless of accuracy. I think that's the guy who was telling me the alt right doesn't discriminate by skin color last week.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

US Blacks I have to disagree personally.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you think black nationalists actually decide anything then you have no idea how power is brokered in this country

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is a really tired idea. There were conversations about this even as far back as the 1970s. TL;DR "Yes, depending on the circumstances"

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, lets commit to it.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What does that practically mean?

[–]Erasmus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're basically talking about the Republic of New Afrika proposed in 1968. It's a good idea to organize around. Black sovereignty and White sovereignty entail each other, and one is far easier to support in public than the other.

We'd be in a very different place right now if instead of marching on Charlottesville with Nazi LARPers in Stahlhelms chanting "Jews will not replace us!", we'd been marching shoulder-to-shoulder with black nationalists, shouting "Black power! White freedom!" The whole script would've been flipped. Instead of using new tactics to challenge the narratives our enemies use to marginalize white identity, though, we gave them exactly what they wanted. To a tee.

Too many of our people are still stuck in a WN 1.0 mentality, though, one that hasn't moved the needle forward for us in half a century, and has in many ways been an anchor around our necks. This is not to say I don't get it, because I do. The gulf between our activists and theirs can be vast. Just yesterday, Black Twitter was swooning over "The Delectable Negro", an academic gay stroke book in which slave narratives are interpreted through a homosexual lens as metaphorical cannibalism.

If that breaks your brain, imagine how it broke theirs. The cry went out across Black Twitter: "whyt people used to literally eat their slaves"! And then the retweets blew up, often from people who wouldn't or couldn't read a book if you paid them. A fellow of Jewish persuasion valiantly attempted to correct the record: "It's a critical look at slave narratives from the perspective of homoeroticism. IT'S ABOUT ORAL SEX NOT ACTUAL CANNIBALISM, YOU IDIOT!"

Nevertheless, 74,000 people liked the original tweet. 2 liked the correction. Zero people brought up the epidemic of cannibalism in Africa today.

So, even though there are great, logical reasons to build a mulitracial separatist movement with Blacks, it's hard to work with gullible, ignorant, low IQ folks who actually hate you.

There are lots of Blacks who don't fit this description, but as they become politically aware, they also become politically valuable, and many are co-opted or sell out to well-funded Jewish-oriented anti-white progressive movements instead of the lonely road of Black nationalism. So you're basically trying to lead a mounted cavalry charge with black unicorns. It takes real work to wrangle a viable coalition like this, but whoever does it will probably change the world.

[–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think we should try to be amicable with groups like Black Nationalists and Ba'athists and such just because it doesn't hurt to have help and allies elsewhere. Obviously we should still stay separate and call out bullshit but we all have a common interest, and obligation, to stand up to ZOG and Der jude for our own interests. Jews are trying to erase Whites, help keep Blacks poor and criminal, and are trying to suppress and destroy Arabs and Muslims. So our goals and reasons for fighting are quite similar, and as long as we stay away from controlled opposition and unsavory/degenerate groups then we should be okay in cooperating with them.