Can someone please explain this to me: Why is the left so desperate to get Trump out of office?

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[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nobody is saying the country was perfect in 2015, but Trump took inefficient and imperfect institutions and drove them into the ground. You can what about whatever you want, but none of it justifies the catastrophic damage Trump has done to this country's geopolitical standing, legislative system, federal agencies, or anything else Trump has ruined in the past 4 long years. It's a topic I have a lot of very strong feelings about so I'm not interesting with engaging with bad faith actors over it, but suffice to say it sickens me to think what America would look like after four more years of Trump.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trump is a moron, I'm no fan of his. He's a zionist stooge and a con man. But the idea that he's some uniquely different President or has done some unique damage is nonsense. Can you give me some policy examples of how Trump differs from old Presidents or what exact move he has taken that has done unique damage?

[–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its all stylistic garbage and tone. In terms of policies he hasnt done anything different. He's been a standard issue republican aside from not actively pushing policies that increase mass immigration, as all other presidents have done going back to Reagan, with the possible exception of Bill Clinton.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As I said earlier, he staffs important positions with incompetent yes men, most notably the attorney general and the heads of the CDC and other 3 letter agencies. He serves Russia's geopolitical interests against America by pulling us out of important international negotiating tables like the Iran nuclear deal, the WHO, NAFTA, the paris agreement, and countless others, in addition to his fervent attempts to block sanctions and convince the rest of the country to roll over for Russian espionage and interference operations. He blatantly and illegally sabotages any investigation of his actions or attempts to hold him accountable, and he gets away with it because the people who are supposed to hold him in check are in his or McConnell's (still his) pocket. He guts social programs because he doesn't want to pay for them, and then pardons what little taxes the rich paid so that the deficit still skyrockets. He downplays the coronavirus because he thinks it will help his election chances, causing his supporters to reject safety measures as a show of solidarity, which in addition to the incompetent leadership of the agencies Trump gutted, resulted in the USA having a response and infection rate reminiscient of a third world country. Any other president's most damning, career-destroying scandal is a regular friday afternoon for Trump. I could honestly go on all day, but it's obvious none of you actually care and just like being dismissive.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm curious what you think of the George W Bush presidency, particularly in comparison to Trump.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Bush 2 had shit judgement, but it could feasibly be argued that he considered his actions to be in the best interest of the country. Trump is actively and deliberately weakening our country and its institutions.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Shit judgement? He's a war criminal. That's like saying Hitler had shit judgement. I mean arguably Hitler had Germany's best interests at heart too. Bush will probably go down as the president that mortally wounded America. I think he did more damage than any president in history, by a comfortable margin.

What "institutions" is Trump weakening? The left has declared war on police ffs. The institution that prevents murder and total anarchy. How does it get worse then that?

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Read my other comments in this thread. Bush may be a war criminal, but his worst scandals are an average tuesday for Trump. Lying to exacerbate conflict in the middle east barely even makes the short list of Trump's worst blows against America.

The left has declared war on police ffs. The institution that prevents murder and total anarchy. How does it get worse then that?

Alt righters don't know shit about the left.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Bush is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. His warmongering snowballed across the middle east. His incompetence directly led to 9/11, and its likely his neocon riddled administration intentionally ignored Al Queda in order to let an attack happen they could then use to justify their laundry list of Israel first objectives.

No one was held accountable for those deaths, and the same media propagandists that pushed that war are now pushing this blacklivesmatter scam. Think about that. War criminal zionist propagandists that helped cause hundreds of thousands of deaths are now stoking nationwide riots because over 8 black deaths, almost all of them resisting arrest. Were being lectured daily on our "racism" by media war criminals.

Alt righters don't know shit about the left.

Spare me the left wing/right wing kosher sandwich bullshit. Many alt righters came from the left, before they realized the game was rigged by the same people. They could just as soon be called alt left as alt right. The fact you completely dismiss the magnitude of neocon war crimes shows that your labels are meaningless. I dont see the alt right pushing for more war in the middle east, or trying to start a new cold war with Russia and China. Those are the neocons in left wing clothing you call the left.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Bush is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Bush was a bad president.

War criminal zionist propagandists that helped cause hundreds of thousands of deaths are now stoking nationwide riots because over 8 black deaths,

No, the alt right told you that because they know you'll believe anything that makes the left look bad.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

HW Bush was merely a bad president. His idiot son was the worst president in history.

No, the alt right told you that because they know you'll believe anything that makes the left look bad.

I saw it myself. The "alt right" doesnt need to make the left look bad. Literally the same news outlets mostly led by the same people that pushed for the Iraq war are pushing this BLM narrative.

But as I already stated, left/right no longer has any real meaning. Jeremy Corbyn was about as solidly left wing as you can get, and he was hounded out of office by a Jewish media and lobbying elite that want to define what "left" means. They largely already won that argument in the US, hence what you call "left" is just a repurposed brand name thats been coopted by what are basically neocons and a wealthy capitalist elite, who also largely own and control the mainstream "right".

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't even understand what BLM actually is, you just said you thought people were protesting over 8 black deaths. Think about the fact that you're trying to equate protests against police brutality to the Iraq War because the news reported on both of them. It's so flimsy it could be satire, you obviously just don't like black people.

But as I already stated, left/right no longer has any real meaning.

They're relative terms, I don't care what you think counts as right or left.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't even understand what BLM actually is, you just said you thought people were protesting over 8 black deaths.

No I understand perfectly well what BLM actually is, or what its being used for. The media pushing BLM has as much to do with saving black lives as them pushing the Iraq war had to do with "WMD".

Think about the fact that you're trying to equate protests against police brutality to the Iraq War because the news reported on both of them. It's so flimsy it could be satire, you obviously just don't like black people.

The media didnt just "report" on the Iraq war, they helped cause it. They pushed the narrative that Iraq was a grave threat to Americans and repeated falsehoods about everything from Iraqi-Al Queda connections to Iraq having stockpiles of "WMD" they possibly planned to use on Americans.

Just like the media isnt merely "reporting" on those 8 black deaths. They are pushing a narrative that blacks are the victims of a white conspiracy to kill and oppress them, and like their Iraq claims, there is very little evidence supporting that, hence they arent merely reporting. As for my objection to this media manipulation meaning I "dont like black people", im not quite understanding how those two add up. We know black homicides have skyrocketed since this media narrative began being pushed, so one could logically conclude that the media doesnt like black people(or as I believe simply see them as ends to a means).

They're relative terms, I don't care what you think counts as right or left.

Nor do I personally care what you think, beyond the fact you think what the media pushes, so your ignorance(or intellectual dishonestly) is a good indication of how successful this media manipulation is. Fortunately I dont think most people are as rigid as you. You have been exposed to plenty of evidence contradicting your world view, and have never changed it in the slightest. You are likely incapable of doing so. Most people are, which is why views to the contrary are censored. If they werent afraid of the truth they wouldnt need to censor and punish those who speak it.