Can someone please explain this to me: Why is the left so desperate to get Trump out of office?

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Which planet are you living in? Give the address for i'd love to emigrate there.

Under Trump, sanctions on Russia has increased, just a week ago the US applied new sanctions on Germany to prevent the completion of Nordstream-2. How on Earth is Trump anything but an enemy to Russia? Trump has increased military spending and is transferring troops from Germany to Poland, closer to Russian territories in Kaliningrad.

As for US geopolitical influence, that's been diminishing long before Trump came into office and he merely continued the trends impotently. Reagan started busting the unions and killing labor protections, Clinton passed NAFTA and shipped US industry abroad, Bush 2 welcomed China into the WTO and started the colossal budget deficits, Obama started the QE process that converted the US into a zombie economy run by federal money printing.

The US is declining, but that's not due to Trump. This is bigger than Trump, this has to do with deindustrialization, financialization of the economy, massive inequality, plutocracy and racial deterioation. US iq and education outcomes have been collapsing for decades now. These things all precede Trump.

He packs the courts? Which President doesn't? His boy Gorsuch swinged with liberals to make trannies a protected class.

Which President doesn't coddle the rich? Clinton repealed Glass-steagal, Bush 2 did tax cuts, Obama extended tax cuts and pushed for TPP, Trump is carrying out the same tradition.

Trump wanted to shut borders early to prevent COVID from spreading but the left blocked him and how the hell is he authoritarian? He's a suck up loser if anything. Antifa rioted in his capital and all were released without charges. You think Hitler and Stalin would've sat back and let anarchists attack their governments and cities?

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nobody is saying the country was perfect in 2015, but Trump took inefficient and imperfect institutions and drove them into the ground. You can what about whatever you want, but none of it justifies the catastrophic damage Trump has done to this country's geopolitical standing, legislative system, federal agencies, or anything else Trump has ruined in the past 4 long years. It's a topic I have a lot of very strong feelings about so I'm not interesting with engaging with bad faith actors over it, but suffice to say it sickens me to think what America would look like after four more years of Trump.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trump is a moron, I'm no fan of his. He's a zionist stooge and a con man. But the idea that he's some uniquely different President or has done some unique damage is nonsense. Can you give me some policy examples of how Trump differs from old Presidents or what exact move he has taken that has done unique damage?

[–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its all stylistic garbage and tone. In terms of policies he hasnt done anything different. He's been a standard issue republican aside from not actively pushing policies that increase mass immigration, as all other presidents have done going back to Reagan, with the possible exception of Bill Clinton.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As I said earlier, he staffs important positions with incompetent yes men, most notably the attorney general and the heads of the CDC and other 3 letter agencies. He serves Russia's geopolitical interests against America by pulling us out of important international negotiating tables like the Iran nuclear deal, the WHO, NAFTA, the paris agreement, and countless others, in addition to his fervent attempts to block sanctions and convince the rest of the country to roll over for Russian espionage and interference operations. He blatantly and illegally sabotages any investigation of his actions or attempts to hold him accountable, and he gets away with it because the people who are supposed to hold him in check are in his or McConnell's (still his) pocket. He guts social programs because he doesn't want to pay for them, and then pardons what little taxes the rich paid so that the deficit still skyrockets. He downplays the coronavirus because he thinks it will help his election chances, causing his supporters to reject safety measures as a show of solidarity, which in addition to the incompetent leadership of the agencies Trump gutted, resulted in the USA having a response and infection rate reminiscient of a third world country. Any other president's most damning, career-destroying scandal is a regular friday afternoon for Trump. I could honestly go on all day, but it's obvious none of you actually care and just like being dismissive.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm curious what you think of the George W Bush presidency, particularly in comparison to Trump.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Bush 2 had shit judgement, but it could feasibly be argued that he considered his actions to be in the best interest of the country. Trump is actively and deliberately weakening our country and its institutions.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Shit judgement? He's a war criminal. That's like saying Hitler had shit judgement. I mean arguably Hitler had Germany's best interests at heart too. Bush will probably go down as the president that mortally wounded America. I think he did more damage than any president in history, by a comfortable margin.

What "institutions" is Trump weakening? The left has declared war on police ffs. The institution that prevents murder and total anarchy. How does it get worse then that?

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Read my other comments in this thread. Bush may be a war criminal, but his worst scandals are an average tuesday for Trump. Lying to exacerbate conflict in the middle east barely even makes the short list of Trump's worst blows against America.

The left has declared war on police ffs. The institution that prevents murder and total anarchy. How does it get worse then that?

Alt righters don't know shit about the left.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Bush is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. His warmongering snowballed across the middle east. His incompetence directly led to 9/11, and its likely his neocon riddled administration intentionally ignored Al Queda in order to let an attack happen they could then use to justify their laundry list of Israel first objectives.

No one was held accountable for those deaths, and the same media propagandists that pushed that war are now pushing this blacklivesmatter scam. Think about that. War criminal zionist propagandists that helped cause hundreds of thousands of deaths are now stoking nationwide riots because over 8 black deaths, almost all of them resisting arrest. Were being lectured daily on our "racism" by media war criminals.

Alt righters don't know shit about the left.

Spare me the left wing/right wing kosher sandwich bullshit. Many alt righters came from the left, before they realized the game was rigged by the same people. They could just as soon be called alt left as alt right. The fact you completely dismiss the magnitude of neocon war crimes shows that your labels are meaningless. I dont see the alt right pushing for more war in the middle east, or trying to start a new cold war with Russia and China. Those are the neocons in left wing clothing you call the left.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Bush is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Bush was a bad president.

War criminal zionist propagandists that helped cause hundreds of thousands of deaths are now stoking nationwide riots because over 8 black deaths,

No, the alt right told you that because they know you'll believe anything that makes the left look bad.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

HW Bush was merely a bad president. His idiot son was the worst president in history.

No, the alt right told you that because they know you'll believe anything that makes the left look bad.

I saw it myself. The "alt right" doesnt need to make the left look bad. Literally the same news outlets mostly led by the same people that pushed for the Iraq war are pushing this BLM narrative.

But as I already stated, left/right no longer has any real meaning. Jeremy Corbyn was about as solidly left wing as you can get, and he was hounded out of office by a Jewish media and lobbying elite that want to define what "left" means. They largely already won that argument in the US, hence what you call "left" is just a repurposed brand name thats been coopted by what are basically neocons and a wealthy capitalist elite, who also largely own and control the mainstream "right".

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't even understand what BLM actually is, you just said you thought people were protesting over 8 black deaths. Think about the fact that you're trying to equate protests against police brutality to the Iraq War because the news reported on both of them. It's so flimsy it could be satire, you obviously just don't like black people.

But as I already stated, left/right no longer has any real meaning.

They're relative terms, I don't care what you think counts as right or left.