Can someone please explain this to me: Why is the left so desperate to get Trump out of office?

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[–]justjoggin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Interesting.

Trump is not far right

This is to the dismay of many of his voters. So what far-right ideas do you disagree with?

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

So what far-right ideas do you disagree with?

  • There being a jewish conspiracy. (Though I do agree that it's noteworthy how much money and power is in the hands of a group of only 14 million people.)

  • Pro-life. (Though I do think there clearly needs to be a reasonable cutoff after which abortions are illegal.)

  • Gun rights. (I'm for stricter ones and some weapons legal right now to be made illegal. That said, the recent riots have proven that some amount of protection is reasonable. Pistols should be okay.)

  • Partial disagreement: Reverting back to a religious society. (Though I do think that some amount of religion is good for a society and that christianity was of incredible importance for the development of western society.)

  • Being against gay rights and acceptance. (Though I am also against stuff like highly sexualized pride parades and children being force-fed stuff about it in school.)

  • Complete rejection of welfare, free education, etc. (Though too much of it leads to a lazy, unproductive society. A balanced approach would be necessary.)

  • The crazier conspiracies: pizzagate, Qanon, school shootings being faked.

  • Blind faith in a free market. There is no reason capitalism would be the one and only concept humanity ever came up with that is somehow flawless and perfect. A free market regulating itself still means that there will be periods of misery, tragedy and horror. (That said, capitalism is still the best economic system we have and works well when regulated in a smart and sparse way. Only as much regulation as necessary, no more.)

If we went into detail, I could come up with a million things I disagree with regarding the right. Mentalities about topics like art, for example. But the ones I listed should be most of the big ones.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're unfortunately conflating right wing ideas with conservatism. We don't support free market capitalism, no welfare state, weak government, crazy christian conspiracies and Christian talibanism.

You'll find that most of the people here are socialist, pro big government and welfare and secular

[–]SeasideLimbs 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're unfortunately conflating right wing ideas with conservatism

For sure. In our current, polarized culture many disparate ideologies are consumed by the concepts of "left" and "right," so I figured I would just name all the views I object to that are generally considered under the "right" umbrella.

You'll find that most of the people here are socialist, pro big government and welfare and secular

That's interesting! I assume by "we" you mean the alt-right? I was aware already that there was a big ideological gap when it comes to religion (most people who self-identified as alt-right have been atheists in my experience, though with some varying respect for religion.)

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the ideology espoused here is third positionism.

That is a belief in spirituality over materialism, left wing economics, nationalism, social conservatism and self determination for peoples.

Its vastly different than conservatism which is just one big excuse to shovel money into the coffers of the rich

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I agree with a lot of these.

As far as your first one, what do you think of this 1 min video? What do you see that all the commenters don’t?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=G45WthPTo24

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I've been shown this video before and it's one of the cases where I 100% agree without a single objection. This woman is evil scum and she deserves the worst fate the universe can throw at her. I guess my position would be that she's an extremist who doesn't represent the entirety of the jewish population on earth, same way that a neo-nazi murderer doesn't represent all caucasian people or Shiro Ishii doesn't represent all asian people.

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I hear you. Have you seen this little clip of Douglass Rushkoff? He was named one of the “world's ten most influential intellectuals” by MIT.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yazng1sN6dc

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's certainly anger-inducing, arrogant and I can't dispute that it fits the idea of a jewish conspiracy well. I wanna comment on this video in two ways: First, I think that with one notable exception, while anger-inducing, this kind of talk can be heard from adherents of any religion. There are plenty of caucasian christians who will tell you that christians are dangerous to others because everyone knows they're right, they are the ones who have the ultimate truth on their side, etc. So while I think what this guy is saying is insane, I think it's more a case of a religious nutjob than of someone accidentally exposing a jewish conspiracy.

Like I said, there's one exception. He mentions that "we don't believe in the boundaries of nation-state." I would have a couple of comments on this. First, that I agree this is unique to them, or at least a statement that I can't imagine being said by a christian. So there's something to this. Second, if I had to guess, I would guess it could be linked to the fact that unlike christians, jews have a history of not having one proper home and as such, it wouldn't be surprising to me if they had a view on nation-states that differs from that of christians. I can see someone who does believe in a jewish conspiracy taking it a different way (seeing it as them admitting to their plans) but I would think it might be better explained through their specific history. Then again - and I'll argue against myself here for a second - would it really matter? This certainly shows that an anti-nation sentiment is at least somewhat common among jewish people, which would certainly provide motive if there was a jewish conspiracy for why they would want to destabilize other countries. Which brings me to my last comment, which is... how fucking retarded do you have to be to cling to that sentiment as part of an ethnicity that has one of the most clear-cut and obvious ethnostates in the world? You want to "smash things that aren't true" and "don't believe in the boundaries of nation-state[s]"? Then smash your own country first. What a loser.

[–]justjoggin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How fucking retarded do you have to be

That’s called Chutzpah. Kinda like how the Judeo-ADL works tirelessly to flood white countries with endless third worlders while simultaneously saying this...

It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory.

http://archive.vn/Glg05

If termites are eating away at the pillars holding up your home, it really doesn’t matter if it’s a conspiracy to harm you and your family or if they’re just hungry. You have a problem. It’s called a termite problem. White people have a problem. That problem has a name. The word conspiracy doesn’t really matter.

will tell you that christians are dangerous to others

When non Jews are in full control of all the levers of power in Israel and harming the majority population with it, we can talk about that. I don’t think you’d say the Jews should take that lying down though.

[–]Hadza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

works tirelessly to flood white countries with endless third worlders

While simultaneously keeping score of their "successes"

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep. What video is that from again?

[–]Hadza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's on the pic - "Alt-right: age of rage" ugh, the chutzpah, man

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Did I lose you :-(

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not at all, why?

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh. Figured you’d be responding to my last comment. Perhaps you overlooked it. @hadza adds an interesting nugget as well.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/5tq9/can_someone_please_explain_this_to_me_why_is_the/mqnu

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, sorry, that comment! I saw it but forgot to respond. I honestly gotta agree pretty much. Especially the part about how it doesn't really matter whether it's some kind of conspiracy or whether it's what basically amounts of a lot of individuals who share a common culture. Either way, that's a significant amount of people with destructive tendencies.