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[–]Pink 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Christian tradition is based and I'm quite amiable towards it. However I do think that I'll never be able to literally believe it when it comes to the literal doctrine of the Bible. It's too self contradictory and externally contradictory. It's pretty much what you would expect if men made it up. But the tradition is way different than the esoterica of the Bible. The Bible might preach universalism is some places but traditionally that was never a thing. And historically 99% of people who attacked Christianity "cuz it's not true" were just trying to dismantle the tradition. I mean even 1000, 2000 years ago, intelligent scribes must have realized it's not literally, fully true just based on a comparative reading of the Gospels.

So the traditionalism is based, but the current institutions are pozzed and the scriptural literalists are defeatists. I think you agree with me at least on the latter. These are the folk that disregard all lively tradition and cherry pick some lines from the Bible with the goal of communicating "Don't do anything because the Apocalypse is coming and Jesus will save us from clown world." This is defeatism even if you fully believe in Christianity since there's really no evidence that the Apocalypse is coming in our life time. The you know whos could very well rule for 10,000 years before the 7 seals are broken.

I literally just call them out for defeatism. That's the best word to use I've found. It's cool because you also get secular defeatists as well that are issues for the same reasons. People like the Qtards who think daddy Trump will save us if we just elect him one more time. Babbling about secret indictments is defeatism. There's also tards like Moldbug who say "do nothing". That's also defeatism. All these camps are shit because they're LARPing defeatists.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting comparison between Christian fatalism and QAnon there. Good point.

The conspiracy 1.0 crowd had a lot of that as well. I remember watching an absolutely insane video years ago by a guy who claimed to be a super soldier -- blah blah you know how it is with these types -- and his videos all made the point that there's trillions of dollars just waiting in some secret fund and that Obama was holding it back but there were these White hats secretly working to free the money lead by the Count of St. Germain who is immortal etc.

Long story short it was just a way of saying sit back, be inactive and everything will be taken care of. It's a psyop.

[–]meatball4u 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

One of the more inspiring things I've seen is how people have rallied in r/AgainstDegenerateSubs to counter r/AgainstHateSubreddits. It shows that there is a unifying principle that governs our morality. People just KNOW what is counter to our evolutionary impulse to procreate and civilize the world. I wrote about "generativity" on the old sub and got some positive responses, but a crucial critique is that to reduce our behavior into simple evolutionary terms feels inhuman and clinical. There needs to be art, or metaphor behind it. The failures of the new atheist movement show how such "rational" and "scientific" worldviews are largely impotent.

I feel like going back to some naturalist type of religion would be effective. People understand and cherish the natural world, which is why pagans are so into that sort of aesthetic. If there's anybody out there with an education in this sort of thing (mythology, divinity) we need your expertise!

[–]Hadza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've realised that maladapted (unreformed) paganism is a lost cause. Just look at this and tell me you don't feel funny seeing all that modern equipment hidden behind some pagan paraphernalia. A religion that can't really produce what it uses looks a joke and this is coming from someone who actually liked the performance.

[–]meatball4u 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, I've seen this before. But this is art performance meant to entertain, not religious practice. There's more spiritual substance to paganism than a concert, I'd leave the play acting out of the religious practice. There's more refined, less primal way to invoke nature's presence in our lives. Lithuanians were the last Europeans to convert to Christianity and there are still ancient traditions practiced there today that are less tacky than the video you linked https://youtu.be/zEwOxdAAjYE?t=567 Here's some Lithuanians practicing pagan traditions and making use of a sword in the ceremony. Can you imagine cucked Christians today mixing spirituality and a sword? https://youtu.be/q62Lhvc-Y1o?t=122

There's much to learn from peoples in Europe who have been trying to maintain Christianity-free spirituality for centuries

[–]Hadza 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But this is art performance meant to entertain, not religious practice.

Obviously, but I decided to choose it because it demonstrates what I meant pretty well.

Thanks for the vids. It still feels like there's quite a bit of disconnect between modernity and... religion in general (to differing extents) and it most definitely will remain there until more people are forced to return to nature (a very likely possibility). Maybe it's just me