The Way Forward: A New Christianity, Partition, and a General Operational Plan - Occidental Observer

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Christ must fall. The false Jewish God must be thrown back to the desert and his profane shrines must be converted to temples that worship beauty, strength and power, rather than meekness, submission and pacifism.

No more songs must be sung of the false shephard, Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth

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He needs a replacement though, and paganism isn't the answer- I understand a desire for more aggressive dogmas like is seen with Islam but they live on borrowed time and Islam is largely fueled by impoverished sexless radicals that are perpetually ready for war since they come from broken societies. In my personal opinion, I've always felt as though Stoicism is the answer as its four pillars of virtue (prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance) is largely what Christianity ripped off and watered down to be more universal according to Greek observers. Stoicism also allows for deism and nurtures the belief in true "good" and "evil" so it isn't too wishy washy either.

Just a thought. Moving forward is a complicated question and faith in philosophy has failed before in the French Revolution so I'm not necessarily dying on that hill.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think neo-platonism might give a good answer. Its believe in the one cosmic mind, from his emanations, all of reality come to form and Gods and Goddesses and lesser spiritual beings also come to existence. Its something that does not contradict evolution or brings equality and other egalitarian luggage. I think there are schools of thought that believed that not all humans even had souls.

We need to reenchant the world with magic, make it mysterious and beautiful again. Christianity, Judaism and Islam, all stem from the rotten mind of the Jew. Its a very materialistic and totalitarian view of the world that naturally breeds intolerance, fanaticism and suicide cults. It doesn't see nature as sacred and mystical.

We need to combine neoplatonism with some form of nature worship and eugenic, darwinist beliefs. Its the only thing that can truly oppose liberal technocracy. The Abrahamic religions have already been defeated by the almighty dollar. They cannot provide an answer to the questions of our time.

What we need, is Freedom under God

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Hard agree on neo-platonism which frankly should be everyone's default. It's all but proven and was followed by virtually all of the smartest physicists and mathematicians of the modern era.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would love to see some scientific proofs if you have the links

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately they are difficult to abridge and they don't follow formulaic diagrams. I'll attempt a rough explanation.

Like with Stoicism, neo-platonism is a lot of what Christianity ripped off as well- the first verse of the book of John isn't actually, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." as this is a bad translation. The actual word for "word" was Logos- one of Plato's forms. According to Plato this form was a realm of pure logic/reason that transcended our rules and it's easy to see how this became associated with the mystical.

However, many Mathematicians started to associate "logos" with mathematics itself. Newton and his contemporaries thought it was a "language of God" but they made a direct comparison between the two instead of "Logos"'s more esoteric definition. Here's the problem- along comes Einstein's best friend at Princeton, Kurt Godel. Godel publishes one of the most troubling proofs in the history of science that everyone to this day is trying to reconcile with and it's called Incompleteness Theorem. These are what is worth studying if you have the time and energy- in essence they say that Math is a self referential system and cannot be trusted. The implication of math itself being an emergent property of something deeper and more real is affirming of deeper reality since math largely works for our purposes and seems to make very accurate predictions about many things.

However Math itself has other cracks too and cannot predict everything. The advent of quantum theory proved that true random is a real thing in the physical universe and you cannot brute force an answer out of true random. Further complicating this picture of reality are various experiments demonstrate physical laws being "saved" by a degree of mathematical fatalism. An example of this being the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser which preserves itself by literally doing retrocausality (sending information "back in time"). Things like this are arguments for what physicists call "elegance" where bizarre synchronicity and "glitches in the matrix" align. Elegance itself is difficult to wrap one's head around- you also see this in Euler's Identity which has all constituents of math contained in one equation; truly difficult to understand as there is no reason that should exist.

All of these things lend credence to a mystical deeper logos that manifests itself to us with things like math. The contradictions of logic and causality pointed out by Godel, Russel, Hilbert and others is the reason that most mathematicians are not formalists- but true platonists.

TLDR: It's universally accepted that our current architecture for science is severely limited and cannot be a complete picture of reality. That doesn't imply there is a god, but it almost guarantees that we're missing something.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't want to embrace an anti christian mentality because there are good christians in the movement and it is just as divisive as those who want to put christianity at the forefront of the movement. However I think it is misguided to try and fight the present by attempting to recreate the past. Absent of Christ himself returning I don't think Christianity can form the basis of Western Civilization again. When Rome adapted Christianity paganism was already dying and people were embracing various cults left and right. Monotheism was likely inevitable and I think the death of dogmatic religious is also inevitable.

Buddhism has shown that the religious foundation for a civilization does not need to be dogmatic or claim to be divine. I believe the West needs a new spiritual outlook that is non dogmatic. One that rejects the materialistic atheist view and sees the quest for understanding both the physical and metaphysical nature of existence as a moral virtue. You can somewhat blend paganism into this because eternal consciousness that is responsible for existence cannot be physically represented so it can be represented by pagan Gods in a symbolic way. The old gods can also be used as symbols of various moral virtues.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Israel is the model for an ethnostate. What's required is a racial religion that instead of catering to Jewish concepts like materialism and Kabbalahistic inversion, aspires to natural law, beauty and eternal truth.

Neoplatonism can be modified to suit those ends

[–]meatball4u[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I lost my faith in God almost 16 years ago after taking psychology in university and then having a lot of turmoil in my life. I immediately (within moments) decided I was a humanist and went on a long journey to try and replace my religion with a secular lifestance. It largely failed to help me achieve success and happiness though. I think religions are evolutionary adaptations that get you to form habits that help you succeed in having a strong family and children, and lacking belief in god/gods (and perhaps fear of something unknown) leads to complacency and poor habits. There's something to be said about taking time to reflect daily and weekly about your life and your own faults so that you construct mental tools that help you overcome challenges or temptations when those moments come.

At this point I'm trying to decide if the label "humanist" fits me. Obviously humans are so wildly different that I would have to pick my race to be the focus of my humanism. So maybe I believe in Caucasian/European humanism. But it's so souless, I'm also fond of naturalist beliefs and wish I knew more about how European pagans practiced

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Secular humanism is tricky to reconcile with ethics and morality. There is really no reason for it to not devolve into consequential-ism or nihilism unless you cling to an esoteric virtue as a bedrock but that starts blurring the lines of humanism.

[–]marc_gee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Great article with lots of truths. Many quotes from this article can be useful to show Christians.

I have found a personal relationship with Jesus so I know the Bible is true. Christianity's egalitarianism and the JQ might prevent lots of good alt-righters from accepting Jesus and getting into Heaven, and that is a massive burden for them.

[–]StarsOverStalingrad 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We need a Christianity that is more anti-modernity than the infected varieties that are currently on tap.