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[–]GConly 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

GC poster.. for once the radical feminists and alt right have agreed on something.

Virtually everyone trans is insisting this is because they were not able to 'come out' before now.

Except that if this was true they wouldn't be coming out in groups. Trans kids were also 90% male prior to this.lts now 70% female.

They are also in denial about the detransition rates in these girls. Swear it never happens. There's literally been zero research into it because not enough time has passed. They are a lying shower if bastards.

[–]slushpilot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

insisting that it's because they were not able to 'come out' before now

She makes a very compelling counterpoint to this in the interview as well: why is this spike mainly among teenage girls then, and not all other demographics, too?

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well another demographic that has is middle aged men.

But then about 2% of adult males have always been crossdressers.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, they have always been there. But now they can claim to actually be women when they put on the dress... and we're supposed to take that seriously.

The concerning thing is how many more girls are applying for treatment for this now, when they virtually didn't exist before. (Very, very few.)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Social cohesion plus greater fluidity in gender expression and sexuality among women. Right now, it is also a good source of victimhood (perceived, not actual), which women tend to seek more than men. Initial waves of transgenderism, as most novel social trend, are dominated by men. Once a social trend or a place is safe, accessible, easy to use, and approved -- women follow. You could make the same observations about our ancestors predating us by millennia.

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right, so if you say "women" why is the trend not more distributed among women of all ages, instead of just young girls?

This doesn't look like a case of "women will follow" when you see the numbers flip from predominately men, to a 4000% increase among young girls. They are following something, but not men: it looks more like a social trend within these teenage & young adult peer groups.

I think you're right about the victimhood thing, there's a degree of self-pity to it all (same as previous emo trends), driven by a need to find validation, attention, and love.

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I would have likely been unable to discuss this on any of the GC forums, and I can't now as I am banned from both, so I will take the opportunity to this here:

Women also tend to follow trends more often than lead them, as they have a tendency to be more collectivistic. That is a known phenomenon, also freely spoken of in marketing and advertisement. Women usually wait for social approval before embracing a new trend, so your explanation would be consistent with that, and it is what one would expect from a novel social trend like this. It will also subside just as quickly among women once that is no longer the case and the transgender trend falls out of favor. It is a similar phenomenon as the many college girls who appear to turn "lesbian" soon after beginning their college life.

This is further consistent with women's greater in-group bias and why women seem to show a greater tendency to vote in blocks and can sway elections in recent times. Men show less such group cohesion, tend to be more individualistic and are more likely to be "social pioneers". That has its upsides and downsides. The upsides are that they are often times the ones braving unknowns of novel frontiers, but they also often act against their own self-interests, as is illustrated from the state of men's rights, for example.

Here is a video that is mainly for entertainment, not serious research, but it illustrates some of those points, anecdotally, and a more illustrative fashion:

"The Riddle Of The Pumpkin Spice Latte"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NreA_Sx6m7E

Women's greater need for social cohesion might also be a reason why censorship seems to follow women online. Spaces that were previously primarily frequented by men, many discussion forums, value debate to a greater extent, as it requires a willingness to allow conflict and discourse. Right now, women have decided that the transgender trend has "social approval", so, even though individual women like Rowling might buck the trend, they are usually ostracized, as it is inconsistent with what "the sisterhood" decided. Women that tun to run afoul of the group's dogma or do not fit into the "pecking order" usually face this ostracism, in part because ostracism from society hurts women more than men, who are predisposed towards being individualists. That is also one of the reasons why the "queen bee" phenomenon is so strong in the work place and how any attempts to create women only spaces usually end up in drama. It is more important to agree and for social cohesion to maintained than being right. That will also be a reason, apart from women's greater interest in things over people, why women will probably never be great inventors. It would need a great amount of emotional hardiness to resist social pressures to conform and not leave the beaten path. On the other extreme, for men, there are individuals that tend to be somewhat akin to autists and simply oblivious to some social dynamics, so they simply ignore social dogma for those reasons and thereby can sometimes have insights that are opposed to dogma. That is how otherwise highly intelligent men can sometimes put their foot in their mouths in spectular ways. There are few gender differences that would not tie into those fundamental distinctions between men and women, even such noted differences as men's greater skill for humor.

Either way, as I have said on GC (where I do not know if this post is still up), as long as the sisterhood decides that transgenderism is the flavor of the day, transgenderism is here to stay. Even though transgenderism in its current form was fronted primarily by men, men as a group would not have decided to make transgenderism a social issue. Rowling is an indicator, among many others, that we are now, once more, in a transition phase and we are slowly moving on from transgenderism, as soon as a new cause can be found that will meet with women's approval. There are other indicators for this. For example, it is not that consistent in which direction women lean, although they tend towards "care based morality". It is more consistent that they decide on those matters in a collective manner, which could also be the reason why they have been known to be more religious or "conservative" even than men at some time.

The Gender Gap in Religion Around the World

https://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/22/the-gender-gap-in-religion-around-the-world/

It is also one of the reasons why in cultures that we, in the west, view as oppressive towards women (actually or not) it is women who impose their culture's restrictions on other women, primarily. Even in Islam, or more so, women are responsible for the domain of the home, and thus also to bring up other women into the fold of cultural expectations, despite it appearing like a deeply patriarchal system. In general, men and women have a tendency to be far more enforcers of cultural and social norms on members of their own sex, rather than the other, which is also why I am so critical of the insane patriarchy theory that paints all gender based social restrictions as the oppression of men and the subjugation of women, apart from the inconsistencies with that and what we see from other social mammalian species or what we know of gender differences and dynamics from evolutionary psychology.

I am not an expert on Islam, but it does not take more than a few days of actually occupying oneself with their religious texts to notice that the harshness of the restrictions on women are not that far removed from the strictness in which men must conduct themselves and the weight of the expectations placed on them. It is completely consistent with what one would expect (from a more primitive culture) in the light of gender role divisions in evolution of a sexually dimorphic species. A very common technique of validating the patriarchy nonsense by feminists being ignorant of precisely this tendency for men to also carry a greater burden in exchange for what is usually portrayed as their privileges in society:

“Is the Husband Obliged to Spend on His Wife If She Is Working? Does He Have the Right to Take Anything of Her Salary? - Islam Question & Answer.” Accessed January 17, 2020. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/126316/is-the-husband-obliged-to-spend-on-his-wife-if-she-is-working-does-he-have-the-right-to-take-anything-of-her-salary.

There are thousands and thousands such examples in Islam. It is not very different from the supposed "oppression" by men in the west who were expected, even at a young age, to defend society, country, family, and women as a group, at the risk of life, limb, and health. Women, evolutionarily speaking, play it safe. They do not tend to be the pioneers or the inventors. The same pattern, overwhelmingly, is reflected in how women restructure society, politics, and the online world. The trend of Internet adoption has been pretty consistent with this: in its initial stages, the Internet was "geeky", "nerdy" and the young men interested in it were usually ridiculed. Even though other men might have been just as responsible for this derision, it is also true that the few outliers among men were the first adopters. Now that the Internet is a common part of daily life and has met with social approval among women, there has been a rush for women to enter the spaces that have been made comfortable and accessible by men, complete with the usual cries of supposed patriarchal oppression or exclusion of women, despite that fact that many men would have been elated to welcome women to their geeky hobbies, if they had had anything but scorn for being associated with such circles.

More sources:

Hugenberg, Kurt, and Sabine Sczesny. “On Wonderful Women and Seeing Smiles: Social Categorization Moderates the Happy Face Response Latency Advantage.” Social Cognition 24, no. 5 (2006): 516–539.

Rudman, Laurie A., and Stephanie A. Goodwin. “Gender Differences in Automatic In-Group Bias: Why Do Women like Women More than Men like Men?” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 87, no. 4 (2004): 494.

Starr, Sonja B. “Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases.” American Law and Economics Review 17, no. 1 (2014): 127–159.

I do not agree with the authors' conclusions on the root causes, as they are the usual tired platitudes about patriarchy and women's oppression, but it presents the data and defines the concept of what I mean by "queen bee syndrome":

Derks, Belle, Colette Van Laar, and Naomi Ellemers. “The Queen Bee Phenomenon: Why Women Leaders Distance Themselves from Junior Women.” The Leadership Quarterly, Special Issue: Gender and Leadership, 27, no. 3 (June 1, 2016): 456–69. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.leaqua.2015.12.007.

Disclaimer For The Offended

Women and men are not enemies. What I am stating is not to put down or elevate one gender over the other. Doing that is precisely the nonsense that is coming out of gender studies and feminist circles. We, as hairless, clawless, pathetic apes, have made it this far through the close collaboration of women and men. We would not be here if men and women were enemies, as so often portrayed in modern social discourse. Men and women each have their idiosyncrasies, many of which are probably exacerbated through the evolutionarily unfamiliar setting of modern culture, not unlike our tendency to store body fat or seek out nutritious food has also resulted in an epidemic of obesity and diabetes. We came from the savannah to the world of super-stimuli, so to speak, and a result of modern society is that we have to use our higher brain functions to compensate for the behaviors that have come to be maladaptive in the society that these same higher brain functions have allowed us to create.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

as I am banned from both

Don't take it badly, it doesn't take much.

Women also tend to follow trends more often than lead them, as they have a tendency to be more collectivistic.

I think it has something to do with lower female risk tolerance. You don't risk speaking out if you are physically smaller, you need you peer support network to support you to survive if you can't fight or hunt, etc.

I think higher female peer conformity and being sheep like for trends have a lot of shared ground.

It will also subside just as quickly among women once that is no longer the case and the transgender trend falls out of favor.

Yes. I think the crunch point will be when a lot of these young girls who thought they were trans will turn round at 20, with their tits removed, infertile and with beards screaming 'what did you let us do?'

I think something a lot of people outside of the GC groups have missed is a lot of Reddits women's subs and online spaces are now moderated by transwomen. A lot of the women in them have been trained that even asking questions to authenticate the statements the TRAs are making is transphobic and therefore evil.

They've basically manufactured a false consensus by banning anyone who disagrees. Most women will just go along with the crowd and not think about it, or be to scared to say shit until something peaks them personally.

The old GC sub had a massive 'peak trans' thread where hoards of women, and more than a few trans people, used to post why they realised it was all bs. I always suspected that the sudden spike in GC members and the peak trans stories was more behind the ban than anything. It was quite the delusion breaker to come from an SJW sub and to read that and see just how many people had pointed out the emperor had no clothes already.

It essentially broke the illusion of the group consensus. If women actually sat down in groups without the purity purges and discussed the facts and what we really thought, we'd realise most of us don't want this crap at all.

A UK poll showed that 85% did not want a transwoman complete with dick and balls to be allowed into women only areas. Pink news just recently tried to hide this by carefully wording a study to get people to say they were pro self ID.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the crunch point will be when a lot of these young girls who thought they were trans will turn round at 20, with their tits removed, infertile and with beards screaming 'what did you let us do?'

I read the other day that this is becoming quite common in Britain with women suing for inadequate care before they decided to transition. Also reminds me of an utterly heartbreaking case in Belgium or the Netherlands where not only did the state allow a poor trans person to transition but then it became so suicidal and desperate that then the state also euthanized it. What a bloody tragedy.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We've had a couple of young women sue. It needs to reach class action levels before the shit hits the fan and the TRAs can't pretend it's not happening..

One detrans woman Charlie Evans has set up an organisation for them to contact for support, I suspect that's where any future legal action will gone from.

If you're interested in this look up a YouTube video called 'the trans train'. Terrible shit is happening.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is literally just another Marcusian subculture like being a goth or anything else.

[–]GConly 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Except being a Goth is at worst going to leave you with dodgy piercings.

I was a Goth back in the eighties.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just mean that it's just a capitalist subculture that is used to make money off of an 'identity' created solely to be a commodity.

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Trans kids were also 90% male prior to this.lts now 70% female.

The fact that one even has to ask this is ridiculous, but do these figures mean "90% / 70% of trans people think they are male/female", or "90% / 70% of trans people are biologically male/female"? Just curious.

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's stunning. I read an article years back which I swear must have been scrubbed because I can't find it for the life of me that was written by a child psychologist in Australia and in his experience the instances of people claiming to experience dysphoria had skyrocketed but by his estimation 80 to 90 percent were not genuine cases but results of peer pressure and broader social cues.

In other words it had become fashionable.

The Quilette article is very interesting especially given the amount of adolescent girls succumbing to the cluster outbreak phenomenon. It sort of reminds me of those odd events in history where in a given area girls, one after the other, just start to faint or scream or exhibit other strange behaviour. Girls social radars are so well designed that it's like they almost read each others minds.

When I was growing up I'd play pictionary with my cousins. It would be me and my male cousin versus two other girls usually. We lost every time because we were trying to actually logically or technically explain to each other what we were trying to draw. My girl cousins just drew a stick and a circle then all of a sudden 'Dignity!' and they got the answer. It was really weird how sensitive they were to each others minds.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The professionals are unable -- or unwilling -- to say what the lay people see. It is a complete abdication of both moral and professional responsibility.

[–]AFutureConcern 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Liberalism's permission of freedom of the will, combined with social network effects and the disconnection from nature that technology has brought, leads to exactly this kind of social contagion. There will be more things like this - weirder and weirder - as Piss Earth begins. It's very clear that conservatives were completely correct - the sexual revolution, gay marriage and so on were all on a slippery slope. And we're still sliding.

[–]Belisarius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, although it wasn't gay marriage alone, it wasn't the sexual revolution alone. It's the entire ideology of progressivism, no matter where we are there are more freedoms to be gained, so it gets more and more extreme. There's no moment that progressives, as a group, would say "alright, this is far enough". For them, there's always a new battle, their ideology is centered around "progress" after all.

I don't think the sexual revolution, or gay marriage, are what caused the slippery slope. They were merely part of progressives goal to keep going and remove more and more taboos.

[–]Richard_Parker 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Social contagion is a real thing.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The stats on how many teenagers grow out of their pre-pubescent 'dysphoria' are even more concerning. As high as 96% by the end of puberty. This is why they want to block puberty.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The scary part about the 'Queer' milieu is that there are a few die-hard fanatics -- and these are the types who say that if you found a pill that cured homosexuality and gave it to gays that this would be akin to genocide -- who I actually suspect WANT that permanent intervention to happen even if they know many will just grow out of it.

Call it recruitment instinct or just a malicious way of confirming their worldview.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

It's possible people gravitate towards friends that are similar to them in the first place. Are any of the studies able to assess whether it's that or something else?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Extremely unlikely that that is the explanation here. First of all, as the Quilette article states, these sudden trans feelings virtually emerge overnight without any prior indication of dysphoria. Second, there's absolutely no way in any one given social group that there could even be 2 trans people let alone 6 or 7 given how frequent its occurrence is in the general population. There should barely be a few at any given school given the numbers.

Also, even though your point is right and there's good studies about the higher genetic similarities of friendship groups, the likely cause would not be that these people actually are 'trans' but more likely that they're all very sensitive to social cues and compliance -- in the article it's reported that high use of social media precedes them all of a sudden deciding they're 'trans'.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Hm. I'm not sure I'm 100% conclusively convinced, but those are good points. I guess it's supposed to be an ... in-utero hormonal disorder? A genetic disorder? it's possible there's something wrong with the water supply in certain places? Or the mothers all practiced the same dangerous habit?

Also, is there information about LGB and friend groups?

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's a form of hysteria.

Once you adjust for sexual orientation transmen have normal female brains. It's not down to pollutants.

Recent research by Savic and Burke.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. For comparison, look into other social contagions. Any ideas why it is often women among whom such psychosomatic symptoms erupt?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness#In_schools

Also compare Munchhausen by proxy, etc. These can be reasonably well explained as mass psychological social contagions. In individual cases, there are also personality disorders, such as pathological narcissism in transgender males. Maybe even bringing up memes, in the Dawkins sense, as I see above, is insightful.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Littman also discusses a form of madness where people believed they were made of glass, which is relevant. It shows how cultural mental health problems can be.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion

I think it's a female trait because conformity is a survival strategy with females. There's also a certain survival in mimicking illnesses, particularly vomiting behaviour. If the people you live and eat with are vomiting, they might have ingested something toxic and puking right now before you feel ill is a great idea under those circumstances.

MBP is a different kettle of fish. It's seeking attention and sympathy rather than adopting a delusion. Although I suspect attention seeking may be in issue on some of the social media seekers. Then that might come into classic Munchausen territory.

I think a lot of the ROGD cases just have some kind of mental health issues and this is the 'in' cause that can explain away their teen angst, rampant body dysphoria, and in a lot of cases butchness and in denial lesbianism.

We are going to look back on this is a decade the same way we look at the Satanic abuse BS from the eighties.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've long suspected Munchhausen by proxy -- or a phenomenon similar to it -- as a massive cause of the 'trans' phenomenon in especially young boys. I remember watching a documentary about an Australian trans kid and his mother -- who was loving the attention -- confessed that originally she had hoped he was gay so she could, and this is a direct quote, 'Go on the marches'. I was thunderstruck and it all seemed to make sense from then on. These children have become moral accessories to fuel the mother's -- sometimes father but not as often -- narcissism and worldview.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Well I'd say there definitely is a correlation between homosexuality and friendship groups but if 6 or 7 teenage girls who had only ever expressed interest in boys came out as lesbian/bi in the same week I'd think it would be pretty clear you were looking at something social not innate.

I honestly don't think it has to do with any of the things you listed the cause is simply the same as the cause for people wanting to dress like Bowie in the 80's. Trans is fashionable and grants one a certain social status so people are adopting it.

Of course there are real people who have genuine dysphoria but as the items linked shows that type of disorder is an inadequate explanation for the explosion of cases. I'm still looking for that Australian article as well because it confirms the Quilette hypothesis.

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inadequate explanation for the explosion of cases

Did something similar happen with LGB when it was the fashionable thing? Does it still happen with LGB?

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Way more people are identifying as bi etc. I suggest it's more an effort to sound cool by people who experimented in college etc.

Not any real change in the number of gay people.

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or "queer" which means practically anything you want it to mean, except "boring".

[–]anarchy753 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I think you have to see that there's a divide between these two phenomena. With LGB being 'trendy' it gives people more of a willingness to have more of an open mind and try out different things. Really being bicurious is basically no different than trying a different kink. Deciding you're a different gender and severely damaging yourself mentally and physically, or worse, encouraging young people to do it because it's 'normal' and having it taught in schools is just that, damaging.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No idea. Would be an interesting thing to discover. Real problem with researching these types of questions is that in many cases they're the type of questions academia isn't prepared to ask because they might uncover uncomfortable answers.

I don't really think they're good comparisons though. Also I'd love to know how many of these girls just grow out of it and who never pursue any life changing intervention like hormone treatment or body modification. I'd imagine the amount that actually do is very low. We could be looking at a modified version of the 'College Lesbian' phenomenon. If it were men doing the same in their adolescence I'd be hair on fire worried -- which is all the more horrifying that it's very young boys who are getting into this.

Whole thing reminds me of this sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yCQKiaIB9s

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Boys might develop an inclination towards transgenderism in part due to the social climate that is hostile towards men and masculinity. The message that men are bad and harmful to women, while women are assigned that status of the "moral victim", might be contributing towards this trend. In some men it is also (somatic) narcissism at work, which I believe explains why some pretty masculine men decide to transition later in life, when their bodies or athletic achievements can no longer serve as narcissistic supply, as in the case of Bruce Jenner, probably. That environment is particularly narcissistic. Our social climate might encourage narcissism -- maybe not the prevalence rate, but the rate at and the ease with which it can now be openly expressed without reproach.

But, I think there is also a huge cultural blindness, especially in America. Now more than any other generation, there is an over-reliance on medication and quick fixes. People have an expectation, now more than ever before, about both physical and psychological comfort. Nowadays, we are very quick to take a pill, swallow a pain killer, resort to cosmetic surgery, avoid discomfort, shut out dissent or psychological discomfort, and various other phenomena that have been roundly described as a sort of infantilization of society, a sort of tendency towards a degree of hedonism only now made possible through the luxury that modern society affords us. It is therefor also apt to describe it as "first world problems" perhaps. A level of discomfort during puberty is completely normal. I assume most of us here are adults, but it is easy to forget one's own emotional instabilities during that time of one's life. It is downright predatory to exercise this sort of psychological suggestion on children during this vulnerable, volatile stage. The same aversion to discomfort and reliance on quick fix methods might be a social ill that has resulted in a growing number of young adults seeking a resolution to normal personality changes during puberty. That is most likely the reason why, when left undisturbed, so many young adults grow out of it. More and more people, at the slightest discomfort with their bodies or the natural process of aging, will now resort to surgical intervention and the inclination to expect yet another surgery to fix the discomfort most people experience at some point in their lives about their bodies or their genitals appears completely consistent with the same overarching social trends.

Without the above explanation it might have seemed far-fetched to bring up the opiate epidemic in the same breath, let alone the same paragraph, but with that preamble out of the way, maybe it is more apparent why I wonder if the two are symptoms of a similar social malaise.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great comment.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

boys are doing it too though aren't they? especially techy kinda guys? somebody told me this used to be a trend with techy guys even years ago... transhumanism? pornography?

a modified version of the 'College Lesbian' phenomenon

Right, that kind of thing... which suggests something similar happens with LGB. I've known guys who "experimented" and went back to women eventually too.

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For men working in technology there might be several factors. Autistic traits might be one, as there are connections between that and GID.

It could also very well be that this is confusing cause and effect. It might be that it is not men in tech more likely to transition but that men, as a whole, are more inclined towards working in tech so that those who do transition more frequently appear to work in that field.

Unsurprisingly, transgendered men, since they are men, will have interests more typical of men, which should be a huge slap in the face for the "born that way" hypothesis and the nonsense about "female brains" or "born in the wrong body" claptrap. But, it is hard to push past that, because, similar to feminists attached to patriarchy theory argue, there is always the out of explaining everything with a tabula rasa conditioned by society, a social constructionist view, despite the obvious complication that it fails to explain why then every culture across human history would have developed along the same gender lines in the first place.

Baker, Philip, and Eman Shweikh. “Autistic Spectrum Disorders, Personality Disorder and Offending in a Transgender Patient: Clinical Considerations, Diagnostic Challenges and Treatment Responses.” Advances in Autism 2, no. 3 (2016): 140–146.

Cone, Marla. “New Study: Autism Linked to Environment.” Scientific American. Accessed June 8, 2020. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-rise-driven-by-environment/.

Fombonne, Eric. “Epidemiological Trends in Rates of Autism.” Molecular Psychiatry 7, no. s2 (2002): S4–S4. McDowell, Maxson J. “Autism, Early Narcissistic Injury and Self-Organization: A Role for the Image of the Mother’s Eyes?” Journal of Analytical Psychology 49, no. 4 (2004): 495–519.

Schalkwyk, Gerrit I. van, Katherine Klingensmith, and Fred R. Volkmar. “Gender Identity and Autism Spectrum Disorders.” The Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine 88, no. 1 (March 4, 2015): 81–83. “The Image of the Mother’s Eye: Autism and Early Narcissistic Injury. Maxson J. McDowell, Ph.D.” Accessed June 8, 2020. http://cogprints.org/2593/1/eye22fixed_by_cogprints.html.

In popular discourse there is also too little acknowledgment of the possibly psychogenic causes of autism that were the original hypothesis for the origin of autism in children. Nowadays, these are almost entirely ignored in favor of a focus on the portions that heritability plays. I also remember that another causal hypothesis, that of the "refrigerator mother", has long been abandoned by the psychology establishment, despite it having shown promise to be a more consistent and powerful (in the sense of statistical power) explanation when combined with an initial predisposition rooted in heritability.

Douglas, Patty. “Autism’s ‘Refrigerator Mothers’: Identity, Power, and Resistance.” Comparative Program on Health and Society-Working Paper Series, 2014.

Epstein, Griffin. “Refrigerator Mothers and Sick Little Boys: Bruno Bettelheim, Eugenics and the De-Pathologization of Jewish Identity.” Disability Studies Quarterly 34, no. 3 (2014).

Jack, Jordynn. Autism and Gender: From Refrigerator Mothers to Computer Geeks. University of Illinois Press, 2014.

Maldonado, Nancy S., and Mariann Pezzella Winick. “Refrigerator Mothers.” Childhood Education 79, no. 3 (2003): 190.

That avenue of research might very well have fallen out of favor due to the affront it has caused women. There is a tendency in the psychology literature to converge towards the women are wonderful effect and to have a bit of a misandrist tendency, as the care professions are dominated by women. Single mothers are now lionized, probably for similar reasons, despite the gratuitously documented harm it is causing to children. So-called helicopter parents have replaced the traditional family. Children are being raised by screens and electronic devices. Non-conformity will be medicated with Ritalin. In every way, this is a recipe for a social mental health disaster.

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Perhaps a form of group hysteria? There has been plenty of THAT going on for years, just look at this year!

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i.e. "It's OK to be trans" is a meme (in the Dawkins sense).

If only we could get the "It's OK to be White" meme to spread this fast.

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Not only is rapid onset gender dysphoria documented among friend groups, we all can think of examples by now of two transgender parents mysteriously having one or several "transgender" children -- who then seem to often end up as props to get into some media articles on how difficult life is for such stunning, brave, and progressive parents as themselves.

[–]proc0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's sheeple wanting to fit in.

[–]TruthTeller 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Take a look at Figure 1 in the study. This study actually implicates Reddit in how it tells people to lie about their symptoms.

Here is the full quote:

"There are many examples on popular sites such as Reddit (with subreddit ask/r/transgender) and Tumblr where online advice promotes the idea that nonspecific symptoms should be considered to be gender dysphoria, conveys an urgency to transition, and instructs individuals how to deceive parents, doctors, and therapists to obtain hormones quickly [47]. Figure 1 includes examples of online advice from Reddit and Tumblr."

No more is needed to explain why we need saidit.net as am alternative.

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schools system is terrible, kids go to school to socialize and show off their new clothes, not to learn, thats where the start of the problem begins,

so ya, kids want to be transgender to fit it

[–]Mr9to5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It certainly feels that way. I basically never met a TG person naturally IRL, until I interacted with a lefty group from the Bay Area. Then, I met, like, 5 TG people at once. All into the same political ideologies, all doing stuff like using "they" pronouns. Similarly, on dating sites, I seem to get like a 50/50 ratio, 50% hetero women (which is all my settings should give me) and 50% some kind of LGBT person calling themselves a woman but either lesbian/"questioning"/"asexual" or transgender insisting on being labeled female without qualification. This doesn't reflect my experience with my environment at all and must be closely clustered, like-minded people who only interact with each other.

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I never thought I'd see the day were mass castration inspired by religious fervor made a comeback.

[–]LoganBlade 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

cool and normal 😎

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Brings to mind this story.

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Broke: Friend groups bond over shared experiences and emotions

Woke: TRANSGENDERISM IS CONTAGIOUS