Liberals don't take responsibility for their own intellectual pursuits.

submitted by WaltzRoommate from self.debatealtright

When you beat a liberal in an argument, their mind goes to "This guy beat little old helpless me in an argument, but that doesn't mean he'd beat Neil deGrasse Tyson in one." They don't believe it's necessary for them to ever know anything as long as they're confident that some magic science man would come and refute us if only he were here right now. They have no intention of learning anything or actually understanding what that magic science man would say.

They don't seem to be aware though that other liberals think like them. If an institution like Reddit says an idea is wrong, they never guess that maybe nobody in power in the entire company has actually looked into whether the idea is wrong or even whether or not censoring it is profitable. Realistically, /u/Spez is just a shit lib who assumes that some magic science man somewhere agrees with him. It's a giant game of "Ok, I don't know anything, but we wouldn't all be here unless everyone else did know something, would we?"

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[–]sineavec 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

One clue that liberals, leftists don't have the right stuff is their lack of enthusiasm. They adopt some newfangled idea every week, something that no one in history has ever believed. If they are right, if could only be divine revelation. That should be reflected in energy and zeal, but they don't have it in a deep way.

https://youtu.be/BmerZbDPXns

I go back to this video when I think of the energy that will win the world. As long as our enemies never capture it, our cause will never be lost. And they won't ever capture that energy, and we will not win until we do. Jews are right to fear Whites.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think an appropriate comparison of left vs. right is differences in relativism.

Leftists are obviously moral relativists, but you see this same relativistic thinking in many areas of leftist thought. Intersectionality necessitates that kind of thinking as well. This is also why they hate hierarchies. They don't ever want to feel inadequate when compared to someone else (cue participation trophies). These feelings of inadequacy also manifest with their pathological altruism, i.e. dragging others down while trying to raise others up. Authoritarianism is only acceptable when it's them (armchair totalitarians).

On the right, you see a more absolute type of thought. Authoritarianism can be acceptable provided there is alignment of purpose. Hierarchies are natural and okay. Being inadequate in one area doesn't necessarily matter and if it does then you know you can at least try to get better yourself and not drag someone else down. Obviously the belief in God or a higher power is more common as well (kind of the ultimate hierarchy).

These differences can kind of be summed up in that Kennedy quote as well, for the left it would look like:

Ask not what you can do for your country — but ask what your country can do for you.

While the one for the rightist would be the actual version

Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.

The more I look at these kinds of differences the more it seems like we're different subspecies. Geographic proximity needs to be corrected. Let each side have their own living space.

[–]sineavec 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They don't ever want to feel inadequate when compared to someone else (cue participation trophies). These feelings of inadequacy also manifest with their pathological altruism, i.e. dragging others down while trying to raise others up.

When I come across leftists who have "weak personalities", I try to be the one to raise them up, like a big brother or father. At least, in that moment when we are interacting one-on-one; it's certain that weak, neglectful, and absent fathers contribute to those who gravitate towards the Left. I don't know if it works but it costs nothing. And if there's alienation and aimlessness in society, perhaps we can surprise them by being the source that offers it, or at least shows them an example of someone who is goal-driven and with self-belief.

seems like we're different subspecies.

As far as the different types of leftists, I see those with weak thoughts and weak personalities, those who basically forego thought and try to throw their weight around through strength of personality (these types are common on this forum, and the reddit forum), and those with strong personalities and strong thoughts but not a full worldview (you can never get a full view of things through leftism). I don't if all are redeemable, having the potential to integrate to a society that we would and will make. Founding Fathers, if we become that, perhaps these leftists will come around.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I come across leftists who have "weak personalities", I try to be the one to raise them up, like a big brother or father. At least, in that moment when we are interacting one-on-one; it's certain that weak, neglectful, and absent fathers contribute to those who gravitate towards the Left.

I hear you. When the opportunity presents itself, I also try this. Ultimately they have to do the work though. That's what I was trying to get at. You can't force someone to do something, and it isn't right to take from others (re-distribute) to fix perceived wrongs because they make you feel good.

And if there's alienation and aimlessness in society, perhaps we can surprise them by being the source that offers it, or at least shows them an example of someone who is goal-driven and with self-belief.

Agreed. The response to this seems to be that we get derided as recruiting people.

Another funny thing with leftists/commies is how opposed they are to third position theories. I think if they actually understood them, they'd see that they're a realistic path to what communism promises them. Given the whole two sides of the same coin (communism/capitalism), it isn't surprising to see them indoctrinated against it.

I don't know if it's possible to redeem them, certainly not all of them, but it would be nice to get a few wins here and there with converts. Many seem to have exceptional feelings of inadequacy, envy, etc. Could probably do the whole seven deadly sins on their collective behaviors.

Really do have to change hearts to change minds.