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[–]Erasmus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If I believed "Might Makes Right", I probably wouldn't click a poll that records your IP address.

But I don't know that I'd say "Truth, Goodness, and Beauty" necessarily entail a single law for "all mankind." Cicero was a pioneer of the idea of Natural Law, and one of the things he believed was that Natural Law necessarily applied to all human civilizations everywhere:

"There is indeed a law, right reason, which is in accordance with nature; existing in all, unchangeable, eternal. Commanding us to do what is right, forbidding us to do what is wrong. [...] It is not one thing at Rome, and another thing at Athens: one thing to-day, and another thing to-morrow; but it is a law eternal and immutable for all nations and for all time." - Cicero, De Re Publica, 3.33

I think this was the great mistake of the West. Not understanding that what worked for us and for our genetic family does not work for others. Asians have their Natural Law, Africans have theirs, and so on. What we see as justice, they may see as injustice. As different peoples, we do not even reason identically.

Compare our reactions to George Floyd's death. For most whites, George Floyd's death may have been regrettable, but he was a violent criminal who was high on Fentanyl and resisted arrest. Take powerful drugs, break the law, resist the police, and you might come to a bad end. But for blacks, the police represent a rival tribe invading your territory and lording their power over you. The notion of taking drugs, breaking the law, resisting arrest, and so on... none of those things matter at all to them. They have a different idea of Natural Law than we do.

So, having said that, I lean towards "Truth, Goodness and Beauty" for our people, who are spiritually sick right now; and towards the second to protect us from those who aren't our people, but would impose their will on us.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just an odd thought I've had. Make of it what you will:

European phenotypes of fair complexions, light hair, and bright eyes are recent developments (mostly, Neanderthals display read hair phenotypes). They became very common between 10k BC and 0. The population rapidly went from 90%+ brown eyes and swarthy to 40%+ blue eyes and fair. This phenotypic shift is not well explained currently but it does correlate well with rises of civilization although this correlation isn't perfect- obviously civilization like Sumer, Persia, China, Japan, etc all lacked this X-factor. Although you could argue that those empires have more attractive phenotypes than tribes in New Guinea. There is also the possibility that this is a by-product of civilization (chicken or the egg argument).

But I think it still says a lot about how a purity of form was favored with the rise of civilization and lends credence to Truth, Goodness, and Beauty being surprisingly important in civilization whereas "might makes right" was an engine for many savages like the Mesoamericans, African empires, and even the tribes that dominate each other today. Neither is a complete answer but I would favor the former over the latter.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Both options are not opposed to another and also I disagree with your definitions.

Truth,Goodness and Beauty is not something that is universal in all human races and ethnic groups. Just because we can look at East Asians and see some similarities in values doesn't discount there are also a sea of differences that contradict conventional European values.

Just look at how Blacks behave when a black criminal is killed by a white police officer. They don't care if the person is a menace to society, they see it as a enemy tribe killing their own. Whites don't see it that way even if their own was killed by a black police officer because they have different values than other groups. The ADL rose into prominence for defending Leo Frank, a pedophile, murdering, rapist that also blamed blacks for his heinous crimes. Jews don't see anything wrong with defending a evil person if they are a Jew when the victim is a gentile. This is not say that Whites don't have a dual standard of morality like other ethnic groups, it is that disparity is not as polarizing between in groups and groups like Jews or Blacks.

Might makes right does not mean survival of the fittest. It is a basic truth that morality can only exist if it is backed with power. If your group is powerless, you will just be a slave to the values of another group that is more powerful. You don't need to act unscrupulously to pursue power, it is to acknowledge that pursuing power is necessary if you care about enforcing a specific moral code on society. The only reason Christianity still exists is because its leaders ignored its teachings and use power to enforce Christianity on their empires and the peoples they conquered.

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think a prerequisite of any virtue is whether it leads to the preservation and proliferation of your ethnic group and your personal development. If it doesn't meet these requirements it probably is a pathology. Muslims don't want to coexist other groups, their religious text advocates the conquest of other groups. The idea of Taqiya should be enough that you can't coexist with another group that could be lying at any time to further their own ethnic group. You don't want to live with a group of liars in a high trust society because it will quickly destroy the trust of society.

    a high trust society is important because it leads to a more productive and economically efficient society. The honor system of putting money in a box in rural American, European and Japanese societies in exchange for food is an example of high trust leading to economic efficiency. The person selling the crops doesn't need to be there to sell the product because they can trust members of their community to put money in the box in exchange for the food item. If non-whites were not in the United States and Whites were high trust would manufactures and retailers have to spend more money on security packaging and anti-theft devices? Do you need a state of the art surveillance system if no one really steals and you are not allowing bad people into your society?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I think whatever you do, you need some sort of morality to function. There's a reason those ideas ended up seeming moral in the first place. "Honor among thieves" kind of thing, at the least.

    Having morals can make you less corruptable. Amoral power-seekers sometimes get tricked and used as pawns in ways that it would be difficult to do with someone who was more steadfast in their morals. I think LOTR has some of these themes. The ring wraiths did not end up serving their own goals. It is a work of fiction though. Perhaps a similar thing happens when companies "sell out" for that sweet cash reward only to find later that what they spent a significant portion of their life building is now twisted to serve another cause... chick fil a is perhaps an example.

    I don't think power has to be seen as immoral. Is it wrong to be well-prepared to defend yourself from a home invader, with lethal force if necessary? Isn't it immoral not to be prepared? Isn't it moral to be good at protecting your community from violent criminals? Those things require understanding power and using it responsibly.

    I also think there are many unambiguously moral ways to help the western situation that have not been near exhausted.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Both of them are correct. Might makes right and decides what is true, beautiful and good. The principles of the human soul don't disappear, it's just that the popular conception of the True the Beautiful and the Good are being subverted into decadent ideals, they give us clues like when they say 'eff your beauty standards', promoting fatties and horrifically ugly transexuals, androgynous black women etc. Hence the prevalence of mental illness today when everything False, Ugly and Evil is being promoted. The problem is the soul needs the ideal so accepts whatever Power promotes which causes everything you're seeing.

    We need to embrace both Logos and the Transcendent while acknowledging the fundamental truth that in the material world power is everything so every thought and action must be geared towards the gathering of power.

    Edit: Lol @ BAP on will to power when he's literally just a little buttgoy for the GOP. The dude's pathetic.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Lift weights, eat meat and blow Republicans- Bronze age hebrew

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Sperm has testosterone in it bro he needs to get all the gains he can

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You need really testosterone in order to carry all that water for GOP senators.