Nietzsche

submitted by SoylentCapitalist from self.debatealtright

As a fan of Nietzsche's work, mainly from what I've read in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, I enjoy his perspective on existentialism. In that regard, he was far ahead of the foundation of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in modern psychology today by stating the relationship between your thoughts and how they influence the self, or known as the unconscious mind today (or the unconscious processes that occur in your brain that makes you feel sad and depressed the more you tell yourself you're worthless.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440575/

Specifically, I'd like to discuss his ideas about values and how this is more on topic to the community. To paraphrase, his way of thinking is being a creator and forming your own values, in a sense programming yourself to be a better person i.e. self-improvement. This is freedom to him and goes beyond just conditioning yourself. For instance, he makes note that nothing is worse than degeneracy. My question is, how many of you think Nietzsche is just bat shit insane? Or perhaps some of you who have read his books can share an unique perspective on how his ideology would support the alt-right movement?

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    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Don't become an Ubermensch.

    Seems to me our interpretation of what the Ubermensch is might be a little different. For me, I don't think the Ubermensch is even attainable for us, but meant to resemble something we can strive to create, our descendants whom we have created a better life for who have surpassed us and become better in almost every way.

    The will to power itself also has to do with existentialism and having full control over your body, without the unconscious mind making you suffer through depression, or whatever afflictions you might be dealing with. Instead, it works with you. This is also pretty much the consensus among philosophers and is described well in chapter XXXIV. Self-Surpassing in Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

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    I've only read Thus Spoke Zaruthustra and couldn't really get behind it. He read a lot like Chomsky in his lack of data.

    Maybe I need to re-visit, but the problem I get with a lot of these political zealot philosophers is that their passion leads to bizarre abstractions and they end up 10 degrees of seperation from reality. Chomsky could create an argument from capitalism all the way up to collective ethics and racism and the connections he makes are hilariously imprecise. By design imo. It makes him impossible to peer review and critique.

    From a functional standpoint, I would argue he is beneficial though. I prefer stoicism but he draws from the stoics in some ways.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    From a functional standpoint, I would argue he is beneficial though.

    Yes, his work also influenced Sigmund Freud and I could see why psychoanalysis was born as a result. Mainly Nietzsche brought to light a lot of our unconscious processes and how we can become better by essentially programming our body as I stated above.