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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Sure, this is genius!

Now all you need to do is go to the intergalactic court of appeal for a fair trial and return with 1 million spaceships to overthrow the current illegitimate government and restore the real constitution.

Yeeee!!!

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Please spend some time to read.
All 3 constitutions are active but they have different jurisdictions. De jure it seems almost perfect. In practice the military of the US can't be used on the people, so you'd force their hand and then 2A becomes interesting.

Edit: You wouldn't need permission from an intergalactic court of appeal, because you are the highest authority.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The constitution is just a piece of paper, nothing else. The courts interpret it however they want and the military obeys its officers, and the officers obey Globohomo.

What legal basis you have is absolutely irrelevant. Affirmative action, same sex marriage, Roe v Wade and the civil rights act are all violations of the constitution. It doesn't matter, because the courts don't interpret it that way.

Ultimately power is about a monopoly of force, if you had a huge alien army you could be King of Americ and make whatever law you want, and that would be true law of the land because everyone would be forced to follow it

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is sovereign citizen bullshit. Please remove yourself. The altright does not need to be associated with the sovereign citizen movement.

[–]frodo-baggins 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"I'm not driving, I was travelling!"

"I have diplomatic immunity!"

"Under the articles of confederation you cant arrest me!"

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Sorry but any "legal" method to reverse the current state of America, whether its this or Curt Dolittle and John Mark's "propertarianism", won't work and is a waste of time. At the end of the day, you can find as many technicalities as you want because no one who controls the court would honestly care and they'd make up some interpretation to just easily brush it aside. I mean the modern position in Western legal systems anyway is just to ignore archaic laws, there's absurd laws from the Middle Ages that still officially exist in parts of Europe and they just pretend like they don't exist. It also just looks like a bunch of radical libertarian civnat nonsense honestly.

The way forward for the "Alt-Right", if they want to achieve anything, is the same way forward for any modern political movement. They need to organise, gather a significant non-virtual support-base and exert some level of real influence. Might and support are more relevant than the American Constitution or any legal system, look at how other groups just flout its rules. The Constitution, whether you like it or not, is an outdated piece of paper which only exists on the bare minimum level just to provide some nominal structure for government and the courts or Congress don't care.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

But with this you have an actual claim, so their "enforcement" would be an act of aggression and it would be easier to gather support and to organize this way. Legal + Might is better than Might alone.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You are right. But, the law is meaningless without the backing of the courts. The courts are not in the hands of anyone who would support this, even conservative judges. And I know the woman discusses setting up State Jural Assemblies as parallel legal institutions but I assume most people would not regard them seriously.

You would need popular support for this first, which is why at moment any discussion like this is pointless in my opinion.

It is indeed interesting concept though.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/long.html

Check this. The courts might very well respect this because legally they are required to.

It's worth exploring and let's say you have 10-15 million alt-rights in the USA and you build up these systems which the courts legally are required to respect, then suddenly things might look very differently. It's a good attack vector imo that people can easily rally behind.

"Join us, no federal taxes" could be a serious platform.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"join us, no federal taxes" could be a serious platform.

Oh phew, I thought this was a serious post until I saw this. You really had me going for a minute there. Well done sir, well done. 7/10 on the troll scale.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is factually and court cases have already been won. Please read and inform yourself.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have an "actual claim" to exist yet the entire establishment is anti-white. Pull head out of sand. See Reality.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way forward for the "Alt-Right", if they want to achieve anything, is the same way forward for any modern political movement. They need to organise, gather a significant non-virtual support-base and exert some level of real influence

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. The virtual step was an important starting point though. The online activism allowed many who were caught in the matrix to get a different perspective. After learning about alt history and other alt politics through citizen journalists and lost academics/philosophers the internet has also allow us to realize that we are not alone. Next step is finding people in real life, creating good op sec, and making yourself legally, financially, socially, emotionally and spiritually anti fragile. This will be the hardest step for us because so much grass roots activism is strategically blocked or faked by our enemies.

[–]PRSanon 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea behind Propertarianism is to put out our reasonable demands first, everyone knows there is 0 chance they will be fulfilled peacefully. When the inevitable civil war begins, there will be clear goals and reasons for the right, negotiations will be quicker because our ideas and compromises are already out there, and our government will get in action quicker because it's structure and basics are already thought out.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This sounds about as bright as some sovereign citizen bullshit. Legal arguments are irrelevant because we live in an authoritarian dictatorship run by jewish warlords. Their kangaroo courts dont care about your legal artifacts.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Their kangaroo courts have no jurisdiction. They are employed by you. Their kangaroo courts operate in States of States, they are incorporated. They operate in the State of Florida, not in Florida. Florida is unincorporated.

The united states of America unincorporated is legally different from The united states of America incorporated.

Their kangaroo courts already accept all of this. It's not fantasy. The alt-right needs to organize around this fast before the left does. People are already not paying taxes legally because paying taxes is voluntary

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their "kangaroo" courts are enforced by hollow point rounds.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm a free traveler on the land! You can't arrest me.

This shit is so pathetic. Do you actually think some legal technicality is going to save us? That there's a 'real' constitution sitting in wait if only we realized its validity? That if anyone did it would actually stand up in a court?

Boomer fucking nonsense.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haha, yes, the government isn't even pretending to maintain the most basic law and order anymore. This muh constitution stuff might as well be leviticus or deuteronomy at this point.

[–]FriedrichLudwig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A sovereign citizen who thinks we can beat the most complex, powerful and evil political and economic system in history with legal tricks lmao

[–]paranoid_android3 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

tldr please. Do you have any idea how many things we have on our queues?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

This is the biggest thing you will ever read.
You have 3 jurisdictions. National > territorial > municipal. Territorial is maritime law, State of; "State of Florida". Municipal, State of States; "STATE OF FLORIDA". National; "Florida".
A few days (3) after your birth they are converting you without your knowledge (important) from an American national of national jurisdiction to a "US citizen" of territorial jurisdiction. You can change that legally and rather easily. This puts you under national jurisdiction and they can't touch you, because they are your employees. I've only watched 2 hours of the republic of texas congressional session in the video and read most of the linked site but there is so much information and its overwhelming. It changes everything and it's already happening.

This movement must be co-opted and staffed by the alt-right, so we can keep commies completely out of it. It must be done below the radar too.

Basically the current "government" is subcontractors, foreign service providers. The Queen has subverted everything by calling things the same while they're not the same and by converting everyone from birth to "US Citizens" which is under the jurisdiction of the british Queen LOL. This shit is hilarious.

[–]paranoid_android3 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You can change that legally and rather easily. This puts you under national jurisdiction and they can't touch you

Thanks for update. Can you elaborate on this point? It's interesting.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

My mind is blown honestly. Which part do you want to be elaborated? How to change it or about jurisdiction? I assume the latter.
Well, most americans are "US Citizens" which means legally you are subject to territorial laws, so when you go into a court they will adress you as a US Citizen or they will adress you with ALL CAPS name like "JOHN DOE" then you are subject to municipal laws. This is because you've been employed by these foreign companies since you were born. This also means you are not currently protected by the american constitution at all - in their courts.
The thing is they have "tricked" people because Florida, State of Florida and STATE OF FLORIDA are legally not the same entities and different rules and laws apply in different jurisdictions. Florida is the actual state, the land and soil, where laws of the land apply while State of Florida and STATE OF FLORIDA operate under international maritime laws basically the british crown and the pope. However you can change your legal documents so that you go from "US Citizen" (an employee in their company INC) to an american national, which puts you from the maritime laws to national jurisdiction. The constitution guarentees your rights in the national jurisdiction. So when they take you to their courts and adress you as a "US Citizen", you can say that you are not a US Citizen but an American national, which puts you out of their jurisdiction. There are some exceptions, where you can't do it. Currently in a lawsuit, federal employee, federal military employee, african american, federal dependant etc. But the average white dude can do it.

I'm still absorbing all of this myself. From the website in the OP, its much better explained than I can but yeah it takes some time to read and understand it all. This is a new topic for me, very interesting. Well, basically african americans CANT become american citizens, only federal citizens but they want to change that. The alt-right need to take control of this movement and stop that from happening. I don't know enough about everything else like what about other nonwhites? or which rules/laws would someone be subjected to as an american national under national jurisdiction but if the alt-right took control of this, we could shape those rules and laws.

We're generally pretty high IQ so i'm almost certain we can use our autistic skills to solve this. This is a legal way to take back the country. The US was basically a white ethnostate in 1860, so it's completely possible that only whites can actually do this, because everything has run on the federal and municipal level since 1860, the American national government is still waiting "reconstruction". I don't know enough to say that only whites can do this for certain, still learning. But currently I actually think this is the case. The founding fathers were very explicit about their desire for the USA to be a white ethnostate.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please dont spread sovereign citizen bullshit to the altright.

[–]paranoid_android3 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

My mind is blown honestly. Which part do you want to be elaborated?

If you can't explain in a concise manner how this is supposed to work beyond "just tell the swat team 'you have no power over me, I'm a citizen of the universe' ", then you're going nowhere.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You need to go to your county to change your legal documents. You don't just proclaim "I'm a citizen of the universe". When you were born, they converted you from an American national to a "US Citizen". You can legally change this back, so you're not acting in the capacity of a US Citizen.

[–]paranoid_android3 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh really, how?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You need to file in a bunch of papers. It's on the page in the OP with instructions.

I'm still learning, so don't take my word for it, research it yourself. It can have consequences I haven't seen yet but it's an idea worth exploring if there is just minor truth to it and I wouldn't be surprised at this point. The international banks are using the US as a platform to bankrupt everyone, because the US national government has not been in use since 1860. They're operating on a federal level with delegated powers.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please don't do this. My boomertard uncle filed his papers. All they do is send you a letter explaining you've been duped by the sovereign citizen whacko movement. Shortly after he was informed that he had been placed on a watchlist. The guy is a harmless, but the sovereign citizen movement is atomwaffen tier stupidity. I cant believe people are still falling for this. Its like when people tell me I can make $1million a year with herbal life. I just need to sign up 5 people and buy $300 month worth of vitamins and motivational tapes.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is what OP wrote previously. Can we ban him?

There are 3 jurisdictions: national, territorial and municipal. You're currently under maritime law, because you're a territorial citizen, a subject of the british Queen. A foreign entity. You were converted to a british citizen ("US Citizen") 3 days after your birth legally. Your name in all caps is you under Municipal jurisdiction controlled by the pope.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I learned about all this 24 hours ago and it seems legit. It seems like an actual way out of this mess of blackpills.

You wanting to ban me just reinforces my idea that I'm right. Otherwise you'd just debunk it easily like we do with race, gender, blm etc.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nope, the burden of proof is on you to support your claim that boomertard sovereign citizenship nonsense works.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP is spreading sovereign citizen nonsense. Please don't listen to him or take him seriously. Sovereign citizen movement is complete bullshit and the last thing the altright needs. Please read up on it.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I've looked into this route. I've also looked at some of the maritime laws and the pilpul that was used to derail the constitution. None of it really matters though. The judges and the media and the paid off politicians control the country right now. The only way return to the constitution movement works is if it inspires white men to IRL organize and I don't think it will. It only demoralizes white men to know they are living on a subverted government. There are other routes we need to go to take back the country.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

POTUS is President of the federal government of the united states of America. The federal government is a Subcontractr, just like the British Territorial United States as the United states of America and Papal Municipal Businesses.

They are all subcontractors LOL. As long as people don't take welfare etc. from the federal government, then they can deny being US Citizens and become american state nationals

[–]FriedrichLudwig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Dude. Law is thoughts put on paper with text. It only exists in the abstract. Real people have to interpret, follow and enforce its approximation in reality. Your arguments objectively don't mean anything without real physical concepts to back them up. The government has 0 reason or incentive to care about these arguments. The law is not some machine whose will and results people automatically follow, it's just a way of legitimatizing something that is already physically possible. If I am mugging someone with a gun, the fact that it's illegal does not magically prevent me from doing it, I can just decide to not care about the law. Do you also think Queen Elizabeth II can assume direct control of the UK government, and rule like a non-ceremonial monarch with executive power, because nothing in the UK Constitution or common law explicitly proclaims the UK as a ceremonial monarchy, and on paper the sovereign's powers are unchanged from the 18th century?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's already happening. People are already not paying taxes to the IRS (there are 2 btw).
When you go to court, it will say "State of Florida" or "STATE OF FLORIDA" and your name might be "FRIEDRICH LUDWIG" in all caps. These things matter because it determines which jurisdiction the court is operating under. This is already happening. There are 3 jurisdictions: national, territorial and municipal. You're currently under maritime law, because you're a territorial citizen, a subject of the british Queen. A foreign entity.
You were converted to a british citizen ("US Citizen") 3 days after your birth legally. Your name in all caps is you under Municipal jurisdiction controlled by the pope.

You can easily change jurisdiction from territorial and municipal to national jurisdiction and then their courts can't touch you, because they are foreign service providers. They are your employees.

Will they declare war? Sure, this is very likely but they would be breaking all kinds of international treaties and laws.
But the courts will respect it and are already respecting it. It's already happening but the alt-right needs to be in charge moving forward.

[–]FriedrichLudwig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude are you mentally ill? All American citizens are subjects to the British Queen and subject to maritime law? The Pope has municipal jurisdiction? Wtf are you talking about?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your name in all caps is you under Municipal jurisdiction controlled by the pope.

Can we ban this idiot? This is worse than atomwaffen and bugaloo combined with boomers

[–]paranoid_android3 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The only way we're going to win is to win the hearts of the vast majority of Whites in America. The only way to do that is communications. Communications can take many forms. The First Amendment is our fire wall, if it goes we are toast. Hate Speech laws and IHRA type bullshit must be fought tooth and nail.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You will likely watch many things but watch the linked video. It's 5 hours long, take notes, but it will be the best 5 hours spend in your life.

This is a game changer and it's already happening. The alt-right needs to co-opt this movement and take over while it's still small. Understand this: The federal government has no legal power over you. They are your employees.
This changes everything.

The election of the federal government doesn't matter. This is everything that matters and all energy should be put into this. Let everyone in the alt-right spend 1-2 years co-opting this movement and then after that we spam it in 4chan through memes.

If we can't co-opt this, then we deserve everything

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the elite hate him, check out this 1 simple trick to taking back our country.

ok buddy guy. do it then. See what happens.