Why some members in this movement shouldn't be allowed to speak

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[–]pimpdaddy_69 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I guess this is the ugly side of tribalism.

I'd say that for me its based on love and not hate.

I love white western culture and do not want the people who gave us such great art and technology to just wither away. I don't personally care about blacks all that much I just don't want to be around them in large numbers.

If we want popular support then such statements need to not be voiced.

I understand the anger but its unproductive in my opinion. It won't convince anyone new and might put them off.

[–]Salos10000[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If any White Nat party needs to be formed, this shit should never be tolerated. The confederate flag,swastika,kkk symbols whatever have no place there. One of our biggest failings is our inablility to establish healthy nationalism and white interests instead we tie ourselves to evil ideologies that give the enemy what they want. Calling yourself openly a fascist,nazi,white supremacist etc is the equivalent of calling yourself a heretic or satanist in medieval times. Even if you have positive views on those groups, the average person does not and never will, its a massive turnoff. This movement needs strict af discipline.

[–]AFutureConcern 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

All of these symbols are simply symbols of our history, though. The only reason they are associated with "hate" is because of who is in charge. The OK sign, the phrase "It's okay to be white", Pepe the frog, Viking runes - all of these are called "hate symbols" because they are associated with us.

I think you are right, though, in that there's no way we can win being openly heretical. It just paints a huge target on our back. When we win, though, there will be nothing controversial about these symbols.

[–]Salos10000[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No because of what they did, you seriously cannot defend the Nazis,kkk and confederates its a losing argument. When we win, we will forget about them.Swatika's,kkk symbols and confederate flag have absolutely no place in any serious White Nationalist movement period due to the immense harm they do to us.

[–]AFutureConcern 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I mean, the swastika and celtic cross have a history stretching back before those groups, and were chosen because they represent European history. The confederate flag(s) only represent the bad parts of American history because those in power declare it so; plenty of people who proudly display the confederate flag would tell you a different story.

On the other hand, the hammer and sickle is displayed proudly by communists despite representing mass murder and starvation. They just say that those regimes weren't "real" communism. The black power fist is displayed proudly by major corporations despite it being associated with black nationalist hate groups. They have no qualms about being associated with extremist left-wing groups through symbology - this is because they are in power.

The symbols are not what do us harm. What does us harm is the people in power, who point at the symbols as evidence we are bad. But if we used different symbols, they would just point at those symbols as evidence we are bad; the OK hand sign being the perfect example.

[–]Salos10000[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Slavery was immoral end off, the confederacy fought to keep slavery so they are immoral. Yes there definitely is hypocrisy but what can we do, our people are on a time bomb, we can not afford ANY fuck up.

[–]AFutureConcern 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Slavery is considered immoral by the current power structure. For the majority of human history it was not considered so. Many leftists consider wage labor to be a form of "wage slavery"; if they win, will supporting historical figures who fought for the right to employ workers be considered as immoral as supporting the confederacy? History suggests that yes, it will. Leftism is a ratchet. Oppose once hotly-contested ideas such as women's suffrage, gay rights or the civil rights act and you are kicked out of polite society. Concede that it is off-limits to even signal your support for a group (not even signalling your support for slavery itself), and you've taken the first step on the slippery slope towards agreeing with the leftist idea of progress itself, and conceding each of the points of their worldview, one by one.

[–]Salos10000[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Owning humans is immoral end off. There is no value tieing yourself to the confederacy whatsoever.