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[–]paranoid_android3 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

In the above slide, Paypal lists targets for censorship. Some noteworthy categories are “White Advocacy,” something vaguely described as “Hate Event Involvement” (suggesting they target individuals, not actions on their platform), “Prejudiced News/Commentary,” Holocaust “denial,” and even views critical of mass immigration.

And of course who else is their official arbiter, the ADL. I'm starting to have a not so friendly feeling about the ADL and their ilk.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Hate Event Involvement

Wow what a broad wishy washy category. I'm sure just going to a catholic mass would be a 'hate event' in Jewish eyes. In Germany you're looked on in skepticism for just wearing braids. There's a video out there from a year ago where a women almost gets attacked for her hair. This is not looking good goys. Until we find a way to push back this is going to get worse and worse.

[–]beermeem 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Join and support the heritage foundation and the nra. I’ve never touched a gun in my life. And aside from a licensed holstered gun or an officer of the law, god save my soul, I expect my karma to hold that I never will. And that’s why I support those people who are on the front lines depending each section of the Bill of Rights. And for the record that does include the ACLU that I very much support as well.

[–]Hobbes44 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Stop with the hysterics. You sound like a 16-year-old girl.

PayPal can set standards against hate speech and hateful ideology if they want. Find a new payment processor - stop complaining like a woman.

[–]sineavec 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

What do you mean by hate speech and hateful ideology?

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish! “There remains but one mode of ridding the world forever of Germanism — and that is to stem the source from which issue those war-lusted souls, by preventing the people of Germany from ever again reproducing their kind. This modern method, known to science as Eugenic Sterilization, is at once practical, humane and thorough. Sterilization has become a byword of science, as the best means of ridding the human race of its misfits: the degenerate, the insane, the hereditary criminal […….]When one realizes that such health measures as vaccination and serum treatments are considered as direct benefits to the community, certainly sterilization of the German people cannot but be considered a great health measure promoted by humanity to immunize itself forever against the virus of Germanism.”

“You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[–]Hobbes44 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Not sure how those quotes are relevant at all to this article. Should PayPal ban those dead guys too?

[–]sineavec 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

I am asking where you're coming from. We're a couple generations from the Bolshevik takeover of Russia and WWII, and it seems like we're repeating history. Paypal terms "White Advocacy" as "Hateful Ideology". I am a White advocate, I do not have a "hateful ideology". I wish to move efficiently through the b.s. my society puts before me. Hate would just bog me down and make me vulnerable to attack. Back to the topic, the people responsible for the demonization of Russians and Germans are the same people who are demonizing White Americans, Europeans worldwide, and Palestinians. I do not let them define "hate speech" and "hateful ideology". They are full of hate. History shows it.

[–]Erasmus 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Paypal terms "White Advocacy" as "Hateful Ideology".

I always think I'm not going to be surprised by this sort of thing, and then I am. The line has gone from White Supremacism to White Nationalism now to mere White Advocacy. How can White people anywhere support this? Do they really think this is where it stops?

[–]sineavec 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I always think I'm not going to be surprised by this sort of thing, and then I am.

If we're still being surprised, then it's likely people that have less information than us are also being surprised. And, new information helps us refine our arguments to win such people over. And many may and will figure it out on their own, as well.

[–]72ndGender 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

A couple generations? Maybe 15 years, tops, at this rate. Could even start this year if things go wrong.

[–]sineavec 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I meant a couple generations have passed/been born since the Bolshevik terror and WWII. I agree, though, things are moving quickly.

[–]72ndGender 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, I completely misunderstood. Apologies.

[–]Hobbes44 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

the people responsible for the demonization of Russians and Germans are the same people who are demonizing White Americans, Europeans worldwide, and Palestinians.

That’s objectively untrue unless you know a bunch of 100+ year old activists.

[–]sineavec 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Quit dismissing a man like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn as some "dead guy". He is one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century while being the most censored man of the 20th century.

“If you wish to upset the law that all crows are black, you mustn't seek to show that no crows are; it is enough if you prove one single crow to be white.” William James

Solzhenitsyn is a white crow. That is objectively true. If it weren't objectively true, he wouldn't be censored. The media, universities, politicians lie/are inaccurate 100% of the time (whether it's through malicious lies or simply ignorance). I am willing to bet you think these institutions lie most of the time, so what is the reason to accept some of their lies? They lie/are inaccurate all of the time.

Further examples of hate:

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1277969555910868997

https://youtu.be/G45WthPTo24

https://youtu.be/_vOtZgOOUHA

[–]Hobbes44 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Lol a Paul Krugman tweet. You are not a serious person.

[–]sineavec 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He is a Nobel Prize winner. 100% lies. Like I tell you. Serious person? You do not know me. Ask anybody who knows if I am unserious. You do not know them either. You're not a mindreader, friend. You are not looking through a crystal ball to witness my life, either. Be serious, yourself. Communicate efficiently.

[–]paranoid_android3 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You know very well what he means. Jews. There's nothing more annoying and a waste of time than someone who argues in bad faith.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You do know that Jewish groups have gone onto college campuses that have catholic mass all over the country and attempted to block the priest from reading certain parts of the bible right?

PayPal can set standards against hate speech and hateful ideology if they want.

That's libertarianism. Are you a libertarian? Do you also believe that local restaurants and hardware stores can refuse to serve black people or are you just a cafeteria libertarian (aka a jew)? I bet you also only believe that free speech laws can help black revolutionaries. White counter revolutionaries should not have access to free speech right?

[–]Hobbes44 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

People aren’t being banned from PayPal for being White, they are banning them for ‘Hate Event Involvement.” If you can’t understand that distinction, you’re a moron.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Hitler didn't drive Jews out of Europe for being 'jews' they were banned for 'hate event involvement'. If you can't understand that you're ignorant.

[–]Hobbes44 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Interesting comparison, albeit ridiculous and untrue.

Are you suggesting that PayPal has some sort of ‘Final Solution’ for white people?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No but the corporate cabal they belong to absolutely do. Far worse than Hitler's final solution which was simply removing Jews from Europe. Jews and their race traitor allies have a far worse fate planned for whites.

[–]Hobbes44 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Will the alt-right ever evolve past ‘Elders of Zion’-tier Schizo-posting?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For awhile yea. Once the black militias roaming around trigger the race war it won't be as easy to recruit whites to the alt right because we will be considered a terrorist organization (even though we've literally done nothing of the sort). Media will find a way to spin black gangs executing whites and whites defending themselves as white supremacy. At that point it will be nearly impossible to get leftist whites on our side because the media and treasonous far left will start using the military against us. So we are literally just doubling down doing redpilling, trying to wake up as many as we can. When things do go down we won't be going out and saving liberal cities though that's for damn sure.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

glow

[–]paranoid_android3 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So saying "Whites have interests, just like Blacks" is a "Hate Event"? You can't even say "the White community" without someone screeching about Hitler.

[–]paranoid_android3 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And you sound like a fool. If this were any other group the Jews would be Oy Veying their assess off 24/7 on (((TV))) about the systemic racism blah blah blah with huge lawsuits drawn up.

[–]72ndGender 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why don't YOU stop with the hysterics?!? Seriously, calm down. There is no reason for you to get this worked up over their opinion. Your response is ridiculously aggressive considering the situation. Seriously, just take it down a notch or two.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White people can ban antiwhiteness if we want. Find a new country to rape and pillage

[–]EuropeanAwakening 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Why should we take advice from people like yku who want to kill our race and openly gloat about it? Now the left are libertarians? Fuck off, dishonest hack.

[–]covor 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But aren't US companies not allowed to discriminate based on (among other things) race? Why is it OK to allow black advocacy (such as BLM) but not white advocacy?

[–]paranoid_android3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because Jews. I know that sounds crazy, but it's true. Who is PayPal's main consultant, the ADL, because of course it's ALWAYS the ADL, a group formed to spring a Jewish pedophile/rapist/murderer from his just punishment. The ADL is the lowest scum on the planet and yet they have a HUGE endowment, from other Jews.

It's almost like The Protocols was real.

[–]beermeem 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ADL and SPLC have been bonkers for a long time. I cringe any time I hear either of them.

[–]paranoid_android3 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"bonkers" is much too innocent a term. Evil is the word you're looking for.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We must make it illegal to cause antiwhite sentiment or action in White countries.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There is even a category for "prejudiced academic work."

How long until Darwin gets cancelled and the Marxists go back to promoting Lamarck

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

yo what was your latest account(s) on reddit? I lost track of you after you got banned a bunch of times

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

After my last snitches account I became doomerbrown, then those got banned and I took a 6 month break from reddit. I'm now accelerationistannie on there.

[–]paranoid_android3 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't been so angry about a story in a long time. "White Advocacy" is against their terms of service. BLM, Congressional not-White Caucus, La Raza, WJC, AIPAC, etc. etc. fine. Anything remotely good for Whites, the fucking people that built America, no. This has gone way past far enough. I swear I'm ready to pick up my phone and call Paypal and tell them to fuck off using my real name. Enough is enough. Lawsuit time.

[–]beermeem 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is not unlike the Visa/MasterCard monopoly discussion.

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How do they identify someone’s race? This seems like it actually requires some level of government oversight.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

What does this have to do with debating?

Why couldn't this just be posted to /s/news?

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It's our Culture

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

What does that mean?

Isn't this supported to be a debate sub?

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Basically on reddit we became a far right news sub as well as a debate sub because of all the censorship. So we post news as well as debate topics. Debating is always welcome in the comments and anyone can always come with a question.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Oh okay. But here there is no censorship, so maybe just use the main subs again?

[–]paranoid_android3 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Tangential: What is your plan for if/when the ADL/SPLC come after your infrastructure, i.e. ISP, DDOS protection, domain, etc., as they have for DailyStormer, VDare, et al? Do you have lawyers? Or is saidit just so small now you're not on their radar yet? What would you tell the ADL when they demand to be your "trusted flaggers"?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The guy's obviously going to ban us at the first chance. He's already been kvetching a couple times.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My experience with him is he's micro managing the direction of the sub and he gets annoying but he doesn't seem like he wants to ban people.

Make sure you make an account over here

https://nobodyhasthe.biz/c/mde

I'd like to use that as a back up. Hopefully we won't need it though.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm on there already as Markimus, don't use it though.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Got it. I drop in there occasionally. It seems to work well and I like the layout.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been using them. Maybe make a top level post here asking us to cross post stuff? I'd like to grow the site as much as you but then again if the far right becomes too prominent it could go the way of Voat

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if the far right becomes too prominent it could go the way of Voat

Yes no kidding, that's why I'm saying what I'm saying

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    [–]not_shadowbanned_yet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    what's wrong with this source?

    [–]paranoid_android3 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You laughing and winning a debate are two very different things.

    This source (if vetted) shows a clear anti-White and pro-Jewish bias in these companies, the chutzpah. They call us "White Supremacists" for merely wanting to advocate for our rights. If nothing else it shows their notion of "fair" is ridiculous. The nerve of these Jews thinking they can ban Whites from speaking up for ourselves, while doing everything they can to ban people criticizing them, to the point of making it illegal (see IHRA).

    Laugh it up.

    [–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Are there any alternatives to paypal, similar to pppay?

    [–]beermeem 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I don’t know many that are exactly like PayPal but there’s:

    • Skrill
    • Venmo (Run by PayPal)
    • Payoneer
    • CashApp
    • Zelle (only available through a bank account)
    • Apple Pay
    • Google Pay
    • Stripe
    • Amazon Pay
    • Shopify
    • WePay
    • Dwolla

    I don’t think anyone has the ubiquity and robustness of paypal, though.

    [–]DestroyerOfSoy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I know it's a hassle but if you REALLY want to send someone money privately with very few restrictions use Monero. I know it's not comparable to PayPal but I don't think it's a good model to try and replicate. A central point of failure or corruption. The only applicable replacement is when GNU Taler gets it's legs in the market which will take time.