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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The reason you don't want to become those things is precisely why you have to. You've been taught to despise them solely because they're the ONLY position that threatens the current world order in the west.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

[–]Nombre27 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Fascism is the middle ground ideology.

Right now we have neoliberal crony capitalist economics with excessive corporate welfare. The few parasites bleeding the many dry.

We also have liberal progressive social policies that promote degeneracy.

Then we have neoconservative foreign policies that work in conjunction with crony capitalist military industrial complex destroying entire countries for the sole benefit of these same corporate parasites.

Fascism is nationalism in toto.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    entraps me politically in an ideology that could ruin my life if exposed and is closely watched by glowing people.

    There's way more surveillance and punishment under liberal totalitarianism than there was ever DREAMT of by fascists. This is just Build-A-Reich workshop fantasy bullshit everyone has been taught to do.

    But what frustrates me is that nationalist organizations appear to require allegiance to fascism to gain entry. I guess this discussion is validating the perception

    No. Revolutionary groups require that you actually oppose the system to join, if you just want to larp about how you're pro-white and don't like anti-whites you're absolutely useless. If you actually want to take power away from this system and actually do something to help white people the only option is mass grassroots populism that attacks the system and what's that? Fascism.

    [–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There's way more surveillance and punishment under liberal totalitarianism than there was ever DREAMT of by fascists.

    Astute observation. Thank you.

    [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Okay. Yeah, the branding and historical associations definitely aren't popular. I care more about the ideals and concepts that it strives for. I see what you mean though.

    Regarding Western dominance, that seems to be waning under the current system. The causes of this can be debated, but it does seem to be in it's twilight years.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So you want to save the White race from extinction but are upset not everyone else who does agrees with you on every other issue? Do you consider yourself a serious person? If you're a serious person who has a conviction about being pro-White then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. If you're not then I guess being upset by what other pro-Whites have to say about Jews is going to be important.

    In other words either you are in a movement because you sincerely believe something or you're in it because it fits 100 percent with your beliefs entirely which is impossible. Choose one.

    [–]frodo-baggins 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There are many people like you, myself included.

    Im not part of any formal groups, but there are people out there like us. Ive built up a circle in real life, and I follow some people online such as Martin and Brittany Sellner, Alt Hype on Bitchute (Alternative Hypothesis), and smaller channels like Intellectual Embargo.

    I think most non guilty White people instinctively agree with us. If you discuss politics with someone, just make sure you trust them enough to not use it against you.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There are plenty of people in this "middle ground' - Taylor, Sailer, etc. Just say you're a white nationalist

    A reason you (allegedly) run into many NatSocs is because this is the natural evolution of the "middle ground" position - invariably, when you attempt to be pro-white or limit immigration, what you find is the people and organizations that prevent this from happening are largely Jewish. To quote Johnson

    "The organized Jewish community is the principal enemy — not the sole enemy, but the principal enemy — of every attempt to halt and reverse white extinction. One cannot defeat an enemy one will not name. Therefore, White nationalism is inescapably anti-Semitic."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Johnson_(white_nationalist)

    [–]sineavec 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    middle ground

    That's the answer right there. Our society is full of alienation and individualism, so everybody's on the fringes. But white identity politics is the simple goal in the center, we're all migrating back to it with our unique ideas and assumptions of others. But, conservatives have their own wisdom. So do fascists and religious people. The more we discuss these things through proximity to one another, the more we'll overcome needless prejudices. We just need to keep the first thing -- our continued existence -- first.

    [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree with you. I myself haven't come across a pro-white community that would be without natsoc sympathies. The closest to that is Amren.com so try that.

    [–]pimpdaddy_69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    In many ways NS is more of a symbol of dissent and a reaction based on survival. It emphasizes strength and unity which is needed while being the brand given to us by society simply for being disobedient.

    I used to be a liberal when I was younger, then became a lolbertarian, then conservative, then third positionist/natsoc.

    There is no compromising with the enemy. They seek our complete destruction and there needs to be some push back. The ideals of the free market and civil liberties are only sustainable in a homogeneous society. Present day affairs make a mockery of the principles of this nation's founding. A radical change in consciousness is needed to recreate the conditions that gave birth to this nation. Simply being a civnat cuck will do nothing and only make you a spectator to the destruction of the civic values you have. A strong collective movement is the necessary step to eradicating the subversion imposed upon us as well as to prevent future contamination by attacking both sides of the problem.

    That is my opinion on the natsoc question, it is a necessary step in these trying times, I only fear that a tyrannous faction will form or something of that nature but it might be worth it.