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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

So give up and don't even try.

/s

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So stop running face first into the same wall and try something new. Start by listening to all the people who predicted exactly how it would fail last time.

Tough love is the way to go.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Tough love is more bullshit propaganda from the 80s that destroyed families - intentionally.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, it's the only thing that works.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Tough love only works as a cop out to harm people more rather than provide help to get out of their rut.

I bet you think more police would help drug users quit.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Calling it a cop out is a cop out to deny the real solutions that your pussy emotions can't handle. You run from those solutions because you don't have the mental fortitude to process those emotions properly. You latch on to anything you think justifies that cowardly path. But hundreds of years of experience proves you wrong. Everyone who knows anything knows drug addicts need to hit rock bottom to finally decide to quit. And only when they get to that point can something change. You can't take an addict and fix them without thier participation. That is something cowards like you refuse to accept because you desperately want to find a way to help them without walking the hard path YOU can't handle.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

What "real solutions" come with "tough love", aka denial of assistance.

It's not about emotions. It's logical and for the good of the community to not have desperate people doing desperate actions just to survive. Give them a home and welfare and they won't be on the streets up to no good - or put them in corporate jail costing taxpayers even more. Those are actual solutions, though we can certainly do better with counseling, services, loans, cooperatives, etc. Many folks can rebound if given a chance, and some will never.

Just two weeks ago we held our annual event in front of city hall - and there is much more going on than that on many fronts. I'm connected with many groups, including some that deal with the down and out. Are you?

You can cherry pick what you want from your "hundreds of years" but the fact is that societies do better when everyone is looked after. You don't seem to know much about drug addicts so I recommend you check out Dr. Gabor Maté's work. He's the best I've come across.

It's true you can't fix addicts without them willing. They need to work on themselves. You won't get their cooperation without compassion. Then both internal and external can work together.

Further, I was duped by Big Pharma, society, and my family (with many doctors) and took "anti"-depressants for 4.5 years and my life was destroyed before quitting cold turkey - and for twice as long I scraped, crawled, climbed, and walked the hard path out of that.

What is cowardly about that?

Name-calling makes you look weak.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Give them a home and welfare and they won't be on the streets up to no good

This is bullshit. And it has proven to be bullshit the tens of thousands of times it has been tried. They destroy the homes, sell the copper, party all day with all the drugs they can buy or steal, then go out at night to steal to pay for more.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Tell that to Scandinavia, Canada, etc. You're describing a minority among them.