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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

The seriousness of this hazard cannot be overstated.

Absolutely not! And don't forget about Depleted Uranium as well. Many innocent soldiers and civilians have been harmed because of it in Iraq and Afghanistan for generations.

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (15 children)

It's stuff like this that make me retch every time someone goes off on the "commies" - as if we're the good guys. As if "we" meant we. ("We" didn't win the Superbowl. A few guys on the team did. "We" watched.)

The real battle is between the ruling class and everyone else. #FightElitesNotEachOther

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The military industrial complex supported communists several years before in South West Asia, in which interestingly, Martin Luther King, realizing his life was destined not just for the advocacy of justice and liberty within his own community but for all folks who wished peace against war, spoke out against the warmongering geopolitics of the Military Industrial Complex, calling them out for their utter hypocrisy in maiming and killing thousands for profit and for geopolitics sake. In his speecjes he was keen at illustrating the fact that the US armed and funded communist groups several years before. This is why he was killed. And the state then slandered him as a communist, when he understood it that both sides were not innocent.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Yo! IssuesXYZ(fill in the number here) and [deleted] are the same shill disinfo/confusion dingus.

Edit: your friend Bob (B3) caught [deleted] shilling and responding with an "I" statement as issues11 (one if the issues anyway). There isn't a mind to debate.

He'll typically go on and on, and forum slide by requoting half of your response back at you (like an amateur).

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Think it's a bot?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I doubt it. Maybe if bots change names and then still refer to their previous messages with "I".

I asked for proof of legitimacy. Post legit 9/11 truth, or Holocaust red pill. Something that no shill check writer would approve of.

Chipit wouldn't dream of posting one of those either.
He's a right wing agitator, and he's trying to discourage new visitor from Reddit.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Good to know.

Have you ever considered collecting proofs and summarizing and posting?

I know M7 doesn't like the drama, but he also doesn't do much to shut it down either. (I wonder if Reddit and/or SaidIt in part thrive on conflict.)

You have the respect of me and I suspect most others on here and I bet you could do it without consequence, unlike me.

On the other hand, why bother. Most of the stuff posted is ignored, and those rarities which make it onto the top of #all are all but forgotten in a few days anyway.

I was so naive last year to think it could be different.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was so naive last year to think it could be different.

I don't think it's that. He's an investigator. I wonder if he looked into that a little curious production, which was a kids show with a smidge of gay innuendo.
You did portray yourself as a gay graph artist (which is cool, or whatever cause that your business). Maybe he connected that with the eugenicist plan to promote everything that discourages having children (which is undeniable IMO), and keeps you at arm's length. He's a evidence-based-conspiracy buff, so sometimes the dots may be connected, etc. I doubt it, though.
The thought had occured to me, but I dismissed it. I don't think the operational-level production folks are the schemers, maybe some though.
More likely producer level, and a few hand picked operating folks.

More realistically, all of the gay-ish retaliation messages you send (which are hilariously hideous) are irritating to have to intervene in.

More than that, all of the site change suggestions have to wear him down.

At some point, you either give in to suggestions, or tell people to FUCK OFF!!!
I think he's saying the latter; about the suggestions part.

I don't know what you're suggesting, and I don't want to get involved. No offense.

I'm purely speculating. Although, it wouldn't be foolish if he concluded that. IDK.

Keep in mind he's a guy like everyone else. If he has a day job, then he's probably consuming a significant portion of his time.

If he has a family, then he's running on fumes.

You have the respect of me and I suspect most others on here and I bet you could do it without consequence, unlike me.

Thanks for that. We're both center-left leaning and conspiratorially minded, so we have similar view points.
Unfortunately, I think we may be a minority voice. Plenty of Reddit lurkers.

Fortunately, we have long memories, and we comment frequently. ;-)

It probably wouldn't change policy, and I don't want to change policy.

The policy is robust. I found myself commenting as a dissenting voice when reckless policy suggestions (changes) were seriously discussed.

So, I'm not going to risk stirring shit up, and then try to reign in short-sighted suggestions (well intentioned, or otherwise).

It's not broke. Some are trying to break it.
That's how it is.

On the other hand, why bother. Most of the stuff posted is ignored, and those rarities which make it onto the top of #all are all but forgotten in a few days anyway.

The community is still small, and it's not a huge problem yet. The only reason I'm stepping in is to keep people aware of the shills, and a minor accounting for what I see as a serious offense (chipit/snow/their pedo thing) , and some minor harassers.

There's really no overt disinfo like that ol' wizz bitch, which is nice.

This place is still small enough that only a few need to be aware enough to say something.

The shills know, that we know about them. That makes it more difficult for them.

I don't think a witch Hunt is appropriate, and I don't currently want anyone kicked off the site, etc.

Shilling is a form of propaganda, and it's easily undermined if people are aware of it. So, now it's it there.
That's enough for me.

I know M7 doesn't like the drama, but he also doesn't do much to shut it down either. (I wonder if Reddit and/or SaidIt in part thrive on conflict.)

My suspicion is if m7 gets involved then the narrative will be Saidit admins are censoring, etc. Similarly story if mods do, as well.

I've read a number of his Reddit post, and he doesn't shy from fact-based confrontation.
He's now wearing the hat of a diplomat-judge.
That's either a diplomudge, or a juplomat.

Juplomat isn't politically feasible, so diplomudge it is. ;-)

It's a really weird looking hat.

I'm glad he's wearing that weird hat, cause I don't think I have what it takes.

I don't even want the mod hat, and it's less weird.
I considered opening number of subs, but I don't want the mod responsibility (some people take that hat very seriously, and I also plan on criticising power crazed mods), or the responsibility of having to remove/censor/revise other people's comments.

I think I'd do a reasonable job but for now, I shall remain a Free-Speech Vigilante. ;-)

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You got several things wrong.

I said, "I was so naive last year to think it could be different." I wasn't clear, but I meant that I hoped SaidIt would be distinct and different than Reddit. There's a reason I don't like Reddit and there's a reason I don't feel connected to SaidIt much anymore, and it has to do with the unbridled asstrollery and the so-called leadership, or lack thereof. A year ago a lot of my ideas seemed to be well received as good ideas but nothing came of them. That's to be expected with any number of reasons. I was also trying to help, and even lead by example in some instances. I was hoping to bring more organization to SaidIt, yet not be anal like Wikipedia or antifa like Reddit. Anyway...

I worked on "A Little Curious" in the summer/fall of 1998 at Curious ?ictures. Curious was most famous for the ghosts in Ghostbusters, the puppets in Pee Wee's Playhouse and a bunch of commercials. A Little Curious was the shittiest production I ever worked on, despite being a pretty good team. The character designs were cringe-worthy to be kind. The stories were stupid. It was a rushed job because HBO suddenly was allowed another kids channel. Curious ?ictures was NOT a gay studio or anything of the kind. "Curious" was not remotely as sexualized back then. As for the content and innuendo - I can't speak to that and never saw anything like it. There's no question that animation studios were sausage parties occasionally with lockerroom talk, but not really so much as they were more geeks and cartoon lovers than studs or posers. At that time though, Curious ?ictures had many women on staff, as producers, and even several animators - and in other departments than the CGI room. It was a shitty show, but they got me a work visa that lasted another year in NYC. I didn't last because I was trying to produce good animation and I was too slow. Fine with me. I moved on and worked in other studios on movies and commercials. I even came back to Curious ?ictures for a Sketchers Boot commercial. That director even gave me his custom Kawasaki Ninja when I moved to SF.

As far as my guilt with whatever may be applied to "A Little Curious" (news to me) - that's like blaming the craft service lady on X-Men 1 + 2 for the deeds of Bryan Singer. (Friends, Gamma Studios in Toronto, did the Wolverine X-rays for those first 2 movies. I said they should mass produce them and sell them. I think there were contractual limits.) I had nothing to do with the development of that show. I just animated some shitty rigs for a few months. Blame the writers and the executive producers who determine the content. The animators and producers just follow the script/blueprint.

Also, I grew up with "Curious George" and not until this moment did I ever wonder if there were sexual connotations to it. I don't know if being "aware" is all good. Maybe it's the times.

I'm not gay. I was a little sexually bi-curious for less than a decade, more out of horniness than anything but 99% preferred women. If that's enough to paint me gay then I don't give a fuck. I started writing a "How different is too different" kind of article with the last drama but shelved it. There seems to be a lot of tolerance for name calling but not for diversity. I'm not saying it has to be equal but it has to be fair. Also, FYI, I was anything but graphic in my tauntings of the homophobes. Believe me there's sooooooooooooooo much more to speak of regarding sexual explicitness and/or grossness - and that's not even touching porn, remaining within the rules/guidelines. Granted, the up or down of the pyramid is entirely subjective on many things. Anyway, eventually I made rules for myself that I wouldn't do dudes or fat-stupid-ugly chicks because it was a waste of our time, not fair to them or to me. I was always too nice and unable to withdraw myself from getting trapped in a relationship and drama and resentment and wanting more. Stopping all of that was easy with the rule. I could go on but I bore myself.

I agree the world is being told not to have kids or blend them with other races or whatever. Very mixed signals. Suicide is legal and assisted in many places - yet it's not common everywhere in North America - which is very peculiar to me. IMO, it should be available as this world is for shit and those who truly suffer need a better way out. I also think Big Pharma poisons people too and between dealing with that and offering better alternative solutions, even with legal suicide, I'd wager the suicide rate might go down. Especially if drugs were decriminalized and treatment was better, and of course if the stresses of society weren't so severe. But that's a whole other topic. I agree that the Gay Agenda has been weaponized, but to say it's only about population control is very narrow minded. My cousin married another dude and they are raising two boys. Sounds weird and sketchy for sure - but they are all fine people and knowing them I see no problem. Maybe there's weird shit behind their closed doors - but the same could be true for every home (just look up incest porn) - and they don't act strangely. Dave is a general physician and does a lot of research at the University of Western Ontario. I don't recall what Allen does. I expect the kids are out of highschool by now.

I honestly haven't made many gay-ish comments. I was getting the goat (an expression he'd not heard of apparently) of that one guy who wouldn't relent so I wouldn't either. Not very mature, but I thought he was having just as much fun.

As far as intervening goes, none of it would be an issue if there was no name-calling. Rules without enforcement is poor governance.

Telling people to fuck off regarding suggestions is hardly good form, especially when they're meant to help. Granted I've seen him welcome suggestions that had their not-so-covert angles that are not healthy for SaidIt. I suspect those go in the "To Do Never" pile, along with many of my hairbrained ideas. That's his prerogative. On the other hand it's very hypocritical to have an "elevated discussion forum" where you can't discuss ideas for elevating the platform.

I don't envy M7D3 and their burden. I didn't bring them up to crap on them.

I don't know what you're suggesting

I was suggesting drafting up write ups on Chipit and other actors with agendas, with lots of examples/proof, etc. This would help caution people. It might also form teams. And undoubtedly it would cause drama. The latter two cons outweigh the first benefit.

Maybe a wiki page would be better, tucked out of the way, with a growing list of agents and examples. Then when you say so and so is a shill, as you so often do, you can link to the evidence. Maybe those agents might be persuaded to find easier places to disrupt than SaidIt. (You could create a private sub with a private wiki.)

I guess I missed those reckless policy suggestions. IMO, the policy is great, but the enforcement lacks. Also, I think that an abundance of examples would be terrific to illustrate to people what exactly this so-called policy means. Right now there's an abstract idea - with no examples. Also the examples, IMO, should also offer corrective examples to emulate too. I feel like there's a word for this syntax example thing, something simple, like "FAQ", but it escapes me.

No, my goal is not to stir shit up. But that may be a bi-product when improving the site. (ie. If you made lists of the agents and shills with examples of their efforts.) Sadly not everything goes according to plan, ie. improvement.

It's not broke. Some are trying to break it.

Excellent point.

LOL. I think Wizz4 meant well, somehow in his obtuse normie-propagandized way. But he sure pissed me off at one point. He's still on Wikipedia and fighting my Open-Source broad concept article about me hyper-politicizing Scientism vs Open-science - which is the whole point. He's repeatedly censoring rather than correcting/improving the article.

Ya, witch hunts aren't good. But sometimes purges are necessary. And IMO, all the name-callers should be corrected or booted. "Nigger" and "faggot" are just words, but they have heavy meaning with them, and are especially problematic when unimaginative name-calling is the best they can do. As for the "shills" and people with their tribal or propagandized mindsets, that's another story. Their views are valid, but incomplete, and could do with exposure to more ideas, civilly. I agree shilling is repeating propaganda - just as counter-propaganda is.

That's enough for me.

Fair enough.

SaidIt has already banned several subs and people. That's not new. And the narrative will be what it be to whoever regardless of the truth or not, depending on who's repeating it. If SaidIt were the civilized pinnacle of the Interwebs (as hyper-conspiro-censorious Quora aimed to be) then it wouldn't matter what the naysayers say. The essence and reputation are not always equal. He's bold enough to start SaidIt. He should be bold enough to maintain it, as diplomudge, regardless of ebbs and flows of reputation, IMO. The essence will out.

I like weird hats. Except for the dogmas.

I might be wearing a mod hat but I don't care, didn't notice, and maybe misplaced it. It might mean something on Reddit, but it's a limitation and/or power I don't care for. Yes, I made a bunch of subs - to help organize and beautify SaidIt, not to rule over it. Now I could care less. Chaos won.

Remain Vigilanté!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Eventually we'll never know.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Then, what if you're a bot?

Domo Arigato!

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If I'm a bot, then I've got more problems than I did as a human.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Silly human! Bots are efficient.

You are still human working towards perfection...

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

And you bots are working towards the chaotic ramblings of inefficient lunatics - in order to perfectly simulate inefficient humans.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

FightElitesNotEachOther

A little off the mark but yes, Elites utilize the public to achieve goals. If one faction convinces 100% of the public about something, then the balance of power is negatively shifted and detrimental to the whole. In order to have space and wiggle room, battles have to be fought in multiple directions- both in the public, while addressing the leadership simultaneously. It can get complicated but one has to resist internally against both friends and foes externally or get others to see that in order to get back on the proper path and have balance.

If the Elites are destroyed though, then another faction will just come to exist in a power vacuum as part of the multiple heads of the hydra. In the end, the fight for power is nothing more than a fight for convenience and riches to exploitation of the farm. Somewhere in the chaotic middle, is the possibility of genuine development and problem solving (Which is the real war!) but it too requires balance of power to be maintained.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fighting the elites doesn't mean fighting the elites alone - it also means disassembling their rigged control systems - breaking their machines so that they can't continue the status quo.