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[–]fred_red_beans 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

Conservatives are nazis?

I don't think this is a fair characterization of conservatism and just feeds the into the right vs left paradigm of divide and conquer.

[–]magnora7 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I think that's kind of the point OP is making, I suppose. Given the title.

But eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. The moderate voices get lost in the noise if each side pretends the other side is represented only by their extremists.

But I also agree with the sentiment of OP that there have been a lot of things crossposted from voat lately that are basically "liberals are all dumb" memes and I don't like the bias.

However I'm not totally sure the mud-slinging of the OP is the best way to address this, but it certainly is getting attention

[–]fred_red_beans 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

Agreed. This is why I believe it's better to debate specific ideas or topics rather than argue broad generalizations. People are always going to have differences in opinion, knowledge, and perception. I think by listening to another's point of view and attempting to understand, one can at least accept and perhaps find some commonalities. By making broad generalizations and characterizations it makes it harder to learn from and communicate with each other.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more.

[–]SecretlyHistoric 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hey magnora7. Can we make a space specifically for political debate? I don't necessarily mind it being all over the front page, but a centralized sub might help foster more discussion. Make sure it really follows the pyramid of discussion and see where we get. Could have a topic of the week. Let people debate a topic for 7 days and see where it goes.

Not to prevent anyone from posting political stuff elsewhere, but just a spot for in depth discussion.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's not a bad idea, but we already have /s/politics and people end up posting where they want, so we can only group it so much. Perhaps there could be a way to flag it so others could screen it out if they wished, or some system like that.

[–]SecretlyHistoric 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What about a group like s/politicaldebate? Say that anything on the bottom 4 levels of the pyramid are flagged, and perhaps disable the ability to reply to those comments. Warnings are given to those who violate the rule. Three strikes and your out of the weeks debate. Try again next week. Every post or argument posed in the comments must have at least 1 source linked.

Just a spot for more in depth debate than on highly generalized meme posts. I'd love to see more debate, but when it is on posts this general it's hard to get a quality debate going.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting ideas! Would you be interested in running a community like that? It would be need to have a place like that.

I often find the quality of the debate in the comments often correlates to the quality of the original post itself. So more low-quality posts like the OP generally aren't a good place to start in my experience.

[–]SecretlyHistoric 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Looks good! Good luck with it!

[–]Alduin 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's an interesting paradigm you've created here with the double upvote and no downvote buttons. It's like having a live audience where everyone can clap loudly but no one can boo. I'm expecting this to be less likely to become an echo chamber and have more opposing narratives. If that's true, then it will be the most extreme of those narratives that will get the most applause as they compete.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That might end up being the case. But it might also be the case that it's easier to discover what overlaps the two sides the best, that we can all agree on.

[–]Alduin 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah that actually does sound more likely now that I think about it. I hope so, that sounds better. That may mean less politics as well, which would be amazing.

We'll just have to see I guess. Should be interesting.

[–]tiny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But you ARE booing with a counter argument, and it's not hidden, nor will you suffer mass down votes from it. I just signed up bc I think it's a great experiment.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree mostly but on the "mud-slinging" point, I think as you pointed out, given the title that does not really seem the point. I also find it interesting that this sort of argument is only brought up when it's conservatives in the cross-hairs. There's not a lot of calls for moderation, fairness, and respect in threads where people are shit-posting about the "dumb whiny liberals"

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a fair point. However there's a difference in severity between "dumb whiny liberals" and "conservatives are literally nazis"

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

nazis had left wing economics, but also had right wing social issues. best combo, these days you have to pick out of 2 bad choices

[–]d3rr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I prefer the libertarian opposite: conservative economics and liberal social policy.