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[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

2. Someone punished for the error or errors of someone else.

Wiktionary

Before I go any further, can I get you to recite the Litany of Tarski? It's OK if not; I haven't been able to honestly recite it yet.

In this case, it goes something like this:

If Jesuits are to blame,
I desire to believe that Jesuits are to blame;
If Jesuits are not to blame,
I desire to believe that Jesuits are not to blame;
Let me not become attached to beliefs I may not want.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

interesting, yeah no problem. but, all my research points at the jesuits and the sabbatean frankists and if we go back further in time, middle eastern sufi sects such as the nizari ismaili assassins from alamut in iran/afghanistan represented today by aga khan... and other gnostic sects... in a word, you seem to think my convictions are faith based convictions. thats a mistake.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Everyone believes things. Everything is faith-based. Your faith might be supported with substantial evidence, but mine is supported by meagre evidence and Occam's Razor.

And I think I've just discovered one of my implicit biases: I don't care who's responsible for things, if I can make it stop. Feel free to work around that if you do take on the fool's errand of trying to convince me of something; I'll try to listen if you do. (Though I'll want sources, not blogs and YouTube videos like so many people keep calling evidence.)

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

otoh when i tell people the source is a book they often freak out. aint nobody got time for that

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I've got more time for books than blogs. Try me.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What about The Venetians? Check out Webster Tarpley for more.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i think what he says, fits. 1200 ad was still the age of the crusades and the time when the templars introduced international banking to the west. they were influenced by sufism and kabbalah which explains their no soul and dead soul ideas, we know newton was more into alchemy than real science, so if his research is solid, he might be on the right track. but the venetians are only one of the vectors. they are also the templars in portugal, with their marranos, who ran the santa maria, the bankers and mercenaries in switzerland, the bankers in cyprus, the jesuits, the teutonic knights, and then there are the sabbateans, the frankists, to say nothing of the bektashi. these all exist and function today.

for example, i like attacking aoc, because she is a marrano.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Webster Tarpley gave good lecture(s?) on The Venetians (Jews) infiltrating the UK establishment, including the Gunpowder Plot, and creating the 100 Years War thus allowing Venice to wage war on Rome while the rest of Europe was at war, among other things.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

cool. i was only five minutes in in this presentation of his, so who knows what will i think in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEfX-Pmrr94

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)