Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Spouts His Insane Anti-Vaxxer Conspiracy Theory in Measles Hot Zone

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[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It wouldn't be pleasant, but a bargain for the resistance that it gives you against many other diseases.

So, the toxins that measles produces gives you resistance against other diseases? Because the measles vaccine is a strain of measles; it vaccinates you by giving you measles, albeit a strain that's as dangerous as a pug. The vaccine itself isn't giving you immunity; it's merely allowing your body to generate immunity without getting ill.

Therefore, you are wrong. Actually, it's theoretically plausible that the toxins produced by measles might Wait, never mind; it's a virus. Viruses don't produce toxins, unlike bacteria. Therefore, you are wrong.

(I'm not watching the presentation, sorry; I don't have hours to spend right now. If you've got a textual version / transcription I could read that, since I read quickly.)

This is why parents used to give they're kids measles.

No, it's because kids have stronger immune systems (which uses up energy better spent elsewhere in adulthood, where it's unlikely that new diseases will appear) so they're less likely to die of it. It's a more dangerous version of vaccination.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You didn't watch the lecture, did you? You really should.

If you had, then you wouldn't be making these arguments.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Watched it. Most of their "evidence" (at 32:21) is heavily influenced by selection bias; those who had stronger immune systems were more likely to survive measles, and other diseases too.

The measles vaccine would, if immune system strength is genetic, have a long-term negative effect on the population. But so does cancer treatment, and all other sorts of people-death-prevention. Eugenics would be letting the weak die to preserve the strength of the gene pool, which I don't think is ethical. Bill Gates is the opposite of a eugenicist.

The measles drop-off before vaccines were introduced is interesting; I will keep that in mind. However, the 32:21 evidence suggests that vaccines are actually useful at preventing deaths.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Selection bias is necessary when the system is a fraud, and double-blind study's with a placebo aren't conducted. The only feild of medicine that perpetrates this fraud. .

4 billion dollars in court ordered payouts is proof enough for that. The government estimates that only 1% if victims seek compensation..

The vaccine industry was going out of business, but then the govt stepped in an decided to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

and double-blind study's [sic] with a placebo aren't conducted.

doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(86)91044-5

It's behind a paywall, but I'm sure that there's an open access version accessible from some other DOI provider. There's a list here, in the General section.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Let's see it.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've given you all the information you need to get a copy.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't want to actually show a link to the evidence? Sounds like you quit.

I accept your defeat.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know where to find a legal copy (depending on which country you live in). If you want to gain one illegally (depending on which country you live in), like on Sci-Hub, that's on you; you have enough information to do so.

You have yet to prove me wrong.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sworn testimony entered into the US Congress on behalf of a CDC whistleblower stating that the MEASLES MUMPS AND RUBELLA vaccine causes a statistically significant increase of autism, or autism-like symptoms in African American populations. Testimony asserts that this doctor, his boss, and co-workers at the CDC sorted through the documents, and destroyed the documented evidence..